hi Brian
yes your right. I'll change it.
to much festive cheer i think.
all the best for the new year.
cheers
bill

Then read up on the one plane swing, it requires a more bent over spine so that the club is swung around the body rather than up and down. If you swing the club around your body like he does in the video your swing plane will be close to your shaft plane (just like Iron Byron and Moe)

The wedge should be swung with the ball closer to you and on a steeper plane that chops down and creates a divot (the Ferris wheel) the driver swings around and sweeps the ball on a shallower plane (the merry-go-round)

The plane angle of a club is set by the angle of the shaft at address. Most power is transferred from the clubhead to the ball with the driver when it approaches and strikes the ball near horizontal, this pummels the force from the club directly into the core of the ball, more acute contact creates less force transfer. 3 Skills uses this method with the driver.

Try thinking outside the box even give it a try, you might be pleased with the result.

Happy new year Ben


On a parting note, see this:

http://www.golftipsmag.com/video/ins...ationship.html

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take away from this except that he doesn't understand the purpose of clubfitting.

Just a little quip , that's all.

If if you bend over more you get a steeper plane, that is why irons are steeper. If I bent down 90* my path would be strait up and down and I would need a very short club. If you are referring to 2 planes then I would say 2 planes don't really have a flat or steep as they can be both. Now granted if you stand more vertical past a point (about 30*) then you would get more verticle but that would have very little power in it and make no snece so I don't think you are referring to standing up too vertical. Within the confines of a normal swing that is goint to get any distance or accuracy the further over you bend the steeper your plane gets. Now if you are talking about hitting the ball, there is no such thing as a plane as you would crash that pane of glass with your elbows.



I watched him, but I didn't see him swinging around his body, I did see him pulling the club around his body and hitting the ball crashing through both imaginary planes on the BS and the follow through.

To create optimum power the ball needs to be hit on a square path. The only thing a flatter path does is create slightly less backspin due to the less descending path while can be compensated for with lower loft driver if you swing too upright. I pretty much lessens the chance of a pull or push as the path form out to in and in to out becomes very little in difference (maybe 1 foot or so). But it is very hard to hit it exactly square as it's goes from descending to ascending very quickly. But a very flat path you have to hit it very square as your club is moving 4' so the chance for in to out or out to in error is much higher as it travels through that very fast. But would you rather have a path that is greater chance of hitting a bit high and short on the fairway or one that has a higher chance of hitting a huge pull or push out of bounds?

If i recall my statment I said that "it appear this guy has no clue what he is talking about". I did not say this is fact and everyone else is wrong, it is simply my opinion and I stand by it. I would simply not reccomend that method. But who I am? Just some shmoe online, you don't have to listen to me, but if you read my previous posts and like what I write, my opinion is don't listen to this guy he is wrong. It is up to you weeather you want to follow my method or not, but can I state my opinion for others to see?

I'v tried the hitting method before, it is the same one that ritter uses (i think that is his name) and it is a descent swing, I just don't see any plane at all in it.


But let me ask you, could you bench press as much weight with the bar at your hips than you can when the bar is at your chest? You have no power down there as it is disconnected so why would you want your hands that low? And keeping your hands at your chest, the further you bend down the steeper your plane will be. A golf swing and the baseball swing is very similar only the baseball swing is upright and very flat, and the golf swing is bent over and a bit steeper. even some basebal players (ken griffey jr.) are well know for their low hitting homeruns and they look a lot like golf at impact and their swing is much steeper at impact than most basebal players that hit the chest high ball. I see the plane as a pane of glass resting on the shoulders (the center of that plane being on the c-7 vertibrea) and the more you bend your shoulders the more vertical that plane goes.

Hogan's arms are through the glass but move parrellel with that glass. rittter and mike m elbow goes crashing through that plane and never parrellell with it. and mike m hands at the waist idea is ludicroius to me. It was not ment to be a personal attack to you. ritter may have a differnt train of thought that might work for him and other villegas strong players and he at least keeps the club connected through the chest though i still would not call that a swing, but more of a hit.