Grooving tool

[cct]

Been wanting to get my hands on a grooving tool but the only one on e-bay does V and Square grooves, instead of the U grooves I want. Theres one on the Golfsmith website but shipping to the UK is $30 (£15 approx.) which to me sounds more expensive than it should be. The grooving tool is $30 so to buy what looks like essentially a jazzy s crewdriver its gona cost me £30 or $60!!!

Does anyone have one to sell or anything that I could buy off them on e-bay and we'll agree on a "buy now" price through GTO?

[daviesec]

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Been wanting to get my hands on a grooving tool but the only one on e-bay does V and Square grooves, instead of the U grooves I want. Theres one on the Golfsmith website but shipping to the UK is $30 (£15 approx.) which to me sounds more expensive than it should be. The grooving tool is $30 so to buy what looks like essentially a jazzy s crewdriver its gona cost me £30 or $60!!!

Does anyone have one to sell or anything that I could buy off them on e-bay and we'll agree on a "buy now" price through GTO?

Craig

I've been trying to get of these aswell without much success, i'm a bit concerned at the reviews people have left on the Golfsmith website. Don't seem to be up to much. If you find any others let me know. There must be somewhere this side of the pond that sells them.

[cct]

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Davie

This one is on e-bay but only does V and Square grooves

eBay.co.uk: #1 Grooving tool recondition the grooves in your wedges (item 160133816675 end time 12-Jul-07 11:45:54 BST)

I was looking at the other one on the golfsmith website:

Golfsmith.com: Golfsmith Deluxe Scoreline Regrooving Tool - Golfsmith

[rdeschain]

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I don't know if it is appropriate to link to another site but This guy sells them and has great feedback from the other site.
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made by me heat treated and tempered , wooden handle with grip. sharpen able. $19.00 paypaled. $17.00 for plain wood grip. shipping out side us is $3.00. ive had a couple questions on if it will make grooves deeper, no it wont deepen them, it will remove metal from original groove that gets bent, dinged rolled int grooves from normal and not so normal play. if they break or chip i'll replace for nothing. cleans and sharpens any grooves
email is bbtpeters@charter.net i will stamp initials or nickname if wanted. they are double ended just pull out and turn around for different grooves. can glue in place. i will be posting a video on how to use within the next day or so. thanks BILL instruction video added hope ya can understand me have got a bad cold

[BrianW]

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Why waste your money. Do you have any proof that re-grooving achieves anything?

[LowPost42]

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I don't think that regrooving is psycho-somatic, as pros change wedges often to keep the deepest grooves (and most spin) readily available.

[BrianW]

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I don't think that regrooving is psycho-somatic, as pros change wedges often to keep the deepest grooves (and most spin) readily available.

I would suggest that Pros change their wedges often as: 1) they don't pay for them and: 2) the club manufacturers want them and us to believe it helps with ball spin, it also helps to sell more clubs.

All you need for spin is a slightly roughened surface on the clubface, other than that its the contact and loft that gets the ball spinning.

[bdbl]

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Brian might be right; my clubs are nearly 10 years old and the grooves at the sweet spot are just about as good as new and I still can't spin the ball - well apart from side spin with my driver

[bill reed]

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hi
i remember trevino and also kite had a worn spot on there wedges and you could clearly see where they hit the ball every time, and after trevino won his second open he said he had to give his wedge away as the groves were so worn the r&a said it was getting to the point of being banned as the groves had almost worn off, he gave it away after that, i dont think trevino would of used a wedge if he could not control the ball due to worn groves, so it seemed as if it made no diffrence to him or to tom kite. again that was some years ago and clubs are a bit diffrent now but it does make you think.
bill

[BrianW]

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Please read the posts in this thread. I explained my findings with respect to grooves there (#10 onward)

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/e...kip-break.html

[bdbl]

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Isn't that just typical of an engineer? Trying to influence opinion and prejudice by the injection of facts

Cheers Brian, that series of posts was interesting. I guess I'll have to get used to the fact that the pros can control the ball the way they do not because of their equipment but because they are just better than me

[cct]

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U cannot be serious to believe grooves don't create spin...

If you were to chip with a totally smooth 60 degree wedge verses a grooved wedge the grooved wedge would "check" a lot more! I recently got my wedges regrooved and FYI pros do this regularly!!! They change they're club a lot too but get theyre grooves regrooved frequently! they play as much golf in a month as we do in a year so they have to change clubs, regroove, re grip a lot more than us!

The grooves act to grip the ball as they increase friction between the clubface and ball!

Regrooving does make a difference however it won't make someone who can't spin suddenly learn to spin, this is done through good ball striking!!!

If they didn't increase spin then why would the R&A be outlawing square grooves..because they provide too much spin that reduces the disadvantage of puting the ball in the rough!!!

Also compare how much spin todays pros get compared with trevino and kite...and that should answer the trevino point!!!

[bill reed]

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hi cct
the R&A are not banning square groves but are changing the spacing between the groves and the first cut of the grove, the face or right angle of the grove will have to be curved and not sharp as it is now on some some clubs, the size of the grove will take in the first cut so will make the grove smaller on the new clubs.
i did say about trevino and him using older clubs and nort being the same as today but my point was not to compare spin then and now but to point out that he still got the same amout of spin as every other pro playing at that time and was better than most at getting back spin as was tom kite and both use worn clubs.
you can not compair clubs of the 70 to clubs of today any more than compair shafts of the 40's and 50's with shafs of the 60s and 70's or the shafts of today, back in the 70's only pros could get there shafts matched and ajusted but now that is availably for all.
we have at my old club(musselburgh) old hickery clubs you can hire and play a round of golf over the oldest course in the world and you would be suprised how much back spin you get of the clubs with a punch mark on the face and no groves at all.
i think there from the 40'S or maybe 50'S.
i know back in the late 70's nicklaus and crenshaw played 9 holes at musselburgh with the old hickery clubs and the spin was not so much the club they used but the old balls compaird to the spin the new bigger balls gave them, back then the ball was smaller and spun less. and crenshaw show'd the 50 or so peole that on the 9th green but spinning the bigger ball back with an old wedge a got little spin with the smaller ball.
he still put stop on the bigger ball with a club that was all 35 years old then.
the groves in the new clubs do make a big diffrence when its wet or your in the rough or sand as the take the water or grass of the face just the same as a tire does on a car the way it channels the wated in the groves. the R&A are conserned with the rough no longer being a penalty with the groves taking the grass off the face so well now, its the same when in the sand. thats why there lokking at change. but with new high spin balls and soft outer core's the pros can spin the ball so much better than us who need a ball thats lasts more than 3 holes.
bill

[BrianW]

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U cannot be serious to believe grooves don't create spin...

If you were to chip with a totally smooth 60 degree wedge verses a grooved wedge the grooved wedge would "check" a lot more! I recently got my wedges regrooved and FYI pros do this regularly!!! They change they're club a lot too but get theyre grooves regrooved frequently! they play as much golf in a month as we do in a year so they have to change clubs, regroove, re grip a lot more than us!

The grooves act to grip the ball as they increase friction between the clubface and ball!

Regrooving does make a difference however it won't make someone who can't spin suddenly learn to spin, this is done through good ball striking!!!

If they didn't increase spin then why would the R&A be outlawing square grooves..because they provide too much spin that reduces the disadvantage of puting the ball in the rough!!!

Also compare how much spin todays pros get compared with trevino and kite...and that should answer the trevino point!!!

Oh yes I am serious! and I can back up my statement with the results of tests carried out with smooth and grooved faced clubs. Have you actually tried your suggested test? maybe you should.

As I explained in the link grooves work like the treads on car tyres, they force away moisture from the face and just like car tyres a slightly roughened but smooth surface area will create more grip than a grooved one. Moisture in the form of water or compacted grass will lubricate the face material and cause the ball to slide too quickly thus reduce the rolling affect as the ball slides up the face.

As I stated: Golf Pros are sponsored by manufacturers who want you to believe their wedges create more spin than the opposition and due to their special grooves. A completely smooth and polished face would reduce spin but a face with a slightly roughened surface is quite adequate to grip the ball.

[bill reed]

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hi
just to add to brians post, the new milled type wedges that have fine groves milled into them plus the normal groves cut into them and if there was no groves only the milled surface it would give as much spin and maybe more than a club with just groves.
the new milled face and groved type wedges do bite into the soft balls more and thats why the balls only last a few hole's.
if you look at the new milled face you will see the face is covered with small cut lines, its this type of club the R&A want banned.
bill