loft and lie

[slater170]

hi all
what would the standard loft and lie specs be on a standard set of mizuno mx15

[aftford]

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[slater170]

Re: loft and lie

Hi mate .
a word of warning. The mx15 are cast, as opposed to forged and are prone to cracking along the sole.

I,m not even sure if cast clubs can be custom fitted . So tread carefully mate.

cheers

hi andy
im not tweaking my club just wondered the effect between standard lie and 5 degrees flat on my shots

[aftford]

Re: loft and lie

hi mate.

i'll have a scout around and see what i can come up with
cheers

[aftford]

Re: loft and lie

standard lie is +/-3 . loft is +/- 2.

i haven't a clue what this means. but i hope it is of help.

cheers mate.

[LowPost42]

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LowPost to the rescue!

aftford - the +/- is the tolerance of the club. In other words, if the lie is supposed to be 61°, it can actually be 58 or 64 off the rack - a loft of 30 could be 28 or 32. In other words, now you can see why if your 34° 7 iron is 2 degrees weak and your 30° 6 iron is 2 degrees strong, why they both go the same distance.

slats - 5° flat is an awful lot - you must be 4 feet tall! (or bend over a LOT). We'll assume aftford is right, and the clubs are cast. The 'safe bending range' is 2° (although I've bent one set of cast clubs 4&#176. What I would do if a client actaully needed to go 5° flat is this: I'd cut 1" off the club, and retest. The requirement should only be 3° now (give or take). I think you'll be surprised when you go for your fitting, and see how you do on the lie board. FWIW - if the fitter doesn't have you hitting off something that leaves a scuff on the bottom of the club, MOVE ON. Sorry for the quick reply, but I gotta jet!

[slater170]

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hi andy
thanks for your efforts mate
hi lowpost
you are spot on mate the fitter even laughed at the results of the online fitter wizard!
he had a ton of 6 irons to try
he did all the measurement including swing speed and had me hitting of a polycarbonate lie board.
the club i liked best was an acer xp standard trajectory head wit TT Tx90 shaft
thanks for your help

[Liam Hancock]

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hi slats,
i think thats way to flat unless you are 4 foot tall. I don't think i would have that much.
Liam,

[GoNavy]

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Slater to answer your question, I believe you are asking, if a club you hit is too upright for YOU, you will tend to pull hook since the heal of the club will hit the ground, (toe of club off ground), conversely a club too flat for you, will cause a push slice, since the toe will dig in, hit ground first, this has the effect of closing/opening the face. This is why custom fitting is SO IMPORTANT, it gives you the best chance at a pure hit, with little or no ground influence of the face angle at impact. Too really get a good visual of this, find an old dart from a dart gun, (you know kids toy, with the suction cup) now place that dart on the face of a club, sole the club correctly and note how the dart faces directly down line and at the correct angle angle, now lift the handle so the heal comes off the ground, (this simulates a flat lie, toe heavy), see how the dart now points right of target and higher trajectory, thats the same direction the ball will go, and the face is still square, you haven't changed it, then bring the handle down, heal heavy, toe in the air, dart now points left, and very shallow angle, same thing, you haven't changed closed/open angle, but you can clearly see, dependant on weather you are heal or toe heavy, these angles ARE dramatically changed. Hope this gives you a better understanding of loft and lie.

[slater170]

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hi slats,
i think thats way to flat unless you are 4 foot tall. I don't think i would have that much.
Liam,

hi liam
i think i entered the wrong data into the calculator. doh!

[slater170]

Re: loft and lie

Slater to answer your question, I believe you are asking, if a club you hit is too upright for YOU, you will tend to pull hook since the heal of the club will hit the ground, (toe of club off ground), conversely a club too flat for you, will cause a push slice, since the toe will dig in, hit ground first, this has the effect of closing/opening the face. This is why custom fitting is SO IMPORTANT, it gives you the best chance at a pure hit, with little or no ground influence of the face angle at impact. Too really get a good visual of this, find an old dart from a dart gun, (you know kids toy, with the suction cup) now place that dart on the face of a club, sole the club correctly and note how the dart faces directly down line and at the correct angle angle, now lift the handle so the heal comes off the ground, (this simulates a flat lie, toe heavy), see how the dart now points right of target and higher trajectory, thats the same direction the ball will go, and the face is still square, you haven't changed it, then bring the handle down, heal heavy, toe in the air, dart now points left, and very shallow angle, same thing, you haven't changed closed/open angle, but you can clearly see, dependant on weather you are heal or toe heavy, these angles ARE dramatically changed. Hope this gives you a better understanding of loft and lie.

hi gonavy
thank you for that
i am getting a better understanding of these things as i go along.

[Rackster]

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Hi Slater

I have never heard of these Acer XP clubs before, but sounds as though they are decent clubs from what you are saying and the reviews I have read online. Are they cloned clubs, the pictures I have seen, it looks as though they look like Callaway X18s, am I right? Are they forged?

[slater170]

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Hi Slater

I have never heard of these Acer XP clubs before, but sounds as though they are decent clubs from what you are saying and the reviews I have read online. Are they cloned clubs, the pictures I have seen, it looks as though they look like Callaway X18s, am I right? Are they forged?

Hi rackster
thats a tricky question
i think you are right they do look like callaways but i didnt know that at the time. they are forged i think
he had me hit a ton of 6 irons acer,couple of snake eyes one called CER
and loads i hadnt heard of but i kept coming back to that one club.
it was effortless and was long and straight

[bdbl]

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Acer are clones from Pinemeadow Golf in the States. And yes X18s.

Should you worry? Some people don't like clones but a mate of mine has a pinemeadow* rip off of an old Taylor Made driver, with a steel shaft and when he whupped my ass last time out he was hitting it a country mile.

The thing with clones imo is not so much the head but to make sure you get a decent shaft that suits you.


* Actually bought in UK from component club fitter

[slater170]

Re: loft and lie

Acer are clones from Pinemeadow Golf in the States. And yes X18s.

Should you worry? Some people don't like clones but a mate of mine has a pinemeadow* rip off of an old Taylor Made driver, with a steel shaft and when he whupped my ass last time out he was hitting it a country mile.

The thing with clones imo is not so much the head but to make sure you get a decent shaft that suits you.


* Actually bought in UK from component club fitter

hi bdbl
thanks for the info
after hitting bucket of balls i kept coming back to that one
im having my new ones set up exactly the same
my iron swing speed measured 88mph so the TT tx90 shaft was perfect the lie board showed marking dead central and the impact tape showed i was hitting off the sweet spot every time!