My Swing

[Cliff]

Re: My Swing

Good luck with the practice.

[Martin Levac]

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Samson, I see two problems. You pull the ball in the first video clip. And, in both video clips, you flip flop the club around like a rag doll. This tells me you don't know what to do and instead focus on secondary aspects of the golf swing.

While it may help to know how to move the body, it helps even more to know how to strike the ball properly. Because once we know how to strike the ball properly, how to move becomes obvious. For instance, once we understand that we aim with our eyes, we work to keep them focused on the ball for as long as possible to achieve best contact possible. Or, once we know that we control the club and not the reverse, we grip the club firmly and not like a bird.

So, figure out how to strike the ball properly first. The rest will become much easier.

[Cliff]

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Rolf yes don't worry about setting up just smash the ball into the ground that works!


I think you will find he hit's the ball well, but not in the direction he want's it to go. He just needs a small change in his shoulder position at the top to get him back on plane. That combined with a retained wrist into impact will make him hit it even better.

He has learnt to walk now he needs to learn to run.

[pnearn]

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Good picture. Look at the left arm/left wrist at the top of your swing and Cliff's picture. One or both of them breaks down meaning you overswing and your backswing gets 'steep'. From there you have little choice but to throw it over the top on the way down

Try and get 'wide' 3/4 length backswings with a straight left arm and a flat left wrist. Arm in about the 10.30 position. From here its much easier to get a shallow approach into the ball and not come OTT. I'll bet you hit your half wedge shots crisp right ? Thats because you dont try and 'set' the club at the top thinking erroneously that will get you more power. All it will do is make you go steep and throw it OTT

Have a look at Baddely here and see where his arms end up. Just turns his torso, keeps his triangle intact and his arms dont go much higher that 10.30. You dont need any more than that - its actually going to rob you of distance - but beware it will feel short to start with!



Youre not far off a very good swing. Short and wide on the way back and shallow on the way down

Have a read of these

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/l...backswing.html

http://www.golf.com/golf/instruction...581580,00.html

[Cliff]

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Hi again.

I’m very reluctant to change any players swing length, due to rhythm and timing. If you watch John Daly or Jack Nicklaus swing would you say they are OTT!

You will find that each golfer has a rhythm especially when they have grooved there swing like Woods/Daly/Faldo/Nicklaus etc. If you tamper with swing length then you will need to practice even harder to regain tempo/rhythm before making any changes to plane or any other small change required.

Only my view on what swing length changes will do to a golfers swing. As you get older your swing will shorten, like many other parts of your body.

Regards Cliff

[Martin Levac]

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Rolf yes don't worry about setting up just smash the ball into the ground that works!


I think you will find he hit's the ball well, but not in the direction he want's it to go. He just needs a small change in his shoulder position at the top to get him back on plane. That combined with a retained wrist into impact will make him hit it even better.

He has learnt to walk now he needs to learn to run.

I'm sorry to see that my wisdom is lost on you, Cliff.

The ultimate goal is to send the ball to the target. We do this by striking the ball properly. You say he hit it well. I say he didn't.

Setting up becomes obvious once we know how to strike the ball properly. We set up TO strike the ball properly. But if we don't know how to strike the ball properly, the setup won't matter. On the other hand once we know how to strike the ball properly, the setup won't matter that much more anyway.

It's a hierarchy. Sending the ball to the target is the ultimate goal. Striking the ball properly is subordinate to this goal. In turn, everything else is subordinate to that.

Notice that I'm the only one who advised him on this detail. Everybody else, including the original poster himself, is focused on secondary aspects. He may have learned to walk but if he keeps his focus on secondary aspects, he won't ever learn to run.

[Cliff]

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You could say that he is striking the ball with the back of his right hand while holding a raspberry ripple in the other. You make no sense at all, what ever drugs you are taking stop them right now!!

OK back to what he is trying to achieve, (A good impact position will be achieved by correcting the swing plane on the way down from the top and by reducing the early left/right shoulder move at the top of the swing momentarily to coincide with the transition of weight shift will bring him back online to target.) And maybe he can hit it better and make Martin Levac a happy man.

Regards Cliff

[Martin Levac]

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You could say that he is striking the ball with the back of his right hand while holding a raspberry ripple in the other. You make no sense at all, what ever drugs you are taking stop them right now!!

OK back to what he is trying to achieve, (A good impact position will be achieved by correcting the swing plane on the way down from the top and by reducing the early left/right shoulder move at the top of the swing momentarily to coincide with the transition of weight shift will bring him back online to target.) And maybe he can hit it better and make Martin Levac a happy man.

Regards Cliff

Like I said, my wisdom is lost on you, Cliff.

[Cliff]

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Like I said, my wisdom is lost on you, Cliff.

I see none.. I'm lost..

[Martin Levac]

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I see none.. I'm lost..

Obviously.

[Cliff]

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Obviously.

You lost me again sorry!

[Martin Levac]

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What your on something! You lost me again..

Ah yes, you are hopelessly lost.

[Neil18]

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Cliff,

You're treading where many other have trodden.

The result will be the same.

With so many players on tour coached by Martin, his self-proclaimed "wisdom" is clearly second to nobody.

Maybe we'd listen more if he wasn't as obtuse in his writings.............hint, hint.

I'm all for individuals points of view. I either do or do not agree. It's all we can do. But to come on a thread and tell a person who has innocently asked for advice that he doesn't know what he's doing is just disrespectful.

The irony is that focusing on proper impact and initial shot direction related to the target is a good way to improve (much like the 3 skills, I'm lead to believe). The problem here is the source of the advice, and the demeanour of it's delivery.

Consequently, I surmise that Martin is the one who does not know what he is doing, at least in terms of ability to communicate with others on a level that does not belittle, chagrin, grate and inspire backlash. Sometimes I think that's the only reason he does it. I wonder if he's as frustrated with some golf advice as some of us are with his communication? If so, my wisdom is lost on him.

Kudos to Samson72, though. He hasn't bitten. And this is his thread. Maybe I could learn from that.

[BrianW]

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Hello!
I've tryed to find the faults in my swing and i'm wondering if my thoughts are correct? My missed shots are usually a slice or a pull.

I think you have the foundations of a good swing and there is a lot that is very good.

To improve your swing plane and assist with keeping your downswing coming from the inside you should focus on allowing the butt end of your club to trace the extended ball to target line through the back and down swing (That thick blue line in your video would be it). You are getting onto a steep plane and that is also encouraging your over swing at the top.

Hope this helps?

[Cliff]

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I'm sorry to see that my wisdom is lost on you, Cliff.

The ultimate goal is to send the ball to the target. We do this by striking the ball properly. You say he hit it well. I say he didn't.

Setting up becomes obvious once we know how to strike the ball properly. We set up TO strike the ball properly. But if we don't know how to strike the ball properly, the setup won't matter. On the other hand once we know how to strike the ball properly, the setup won't matter that much more anyway.

It's a hierarchy. Sending the ball to the target is the ultimate goal. Striking the ball properly is subordinate to this goal. In turn, everything else is subordinate to that.

Notice that I'm the only one who advised him on this detail. Everybody else, including the original poster himself, is focused on secondary aspects. He may have learned to walk but if he keeps his focus on secondary aspects, he won't ever learn to run.

I had learnt the art of hitting a ball well by the time I was six years old. At that time my father would throw the ball to me and I would hit it back. I remember hitting it so well it zoomed passed my father and through the green house window, now that was a good strike as far as I was concerned but my father thought I was insubordinate!! Can you explain how this works regarding your theory above?