Bio-Mechanics (Golf swing made easy)

[Cliff]

If you can stay the pace, this man knows his stuff on Bio-Mechanics and the mechanism that triggers one motion followed by the next and so on. While it is too late in life for me to start over and re-build using his simple examples, he has opened my eyes to what should happen in a golf swing. And I will be using some of them to keep me on track you could say.

Over the years we all see/try new ideas, many of those ideas we forget due to old age or we don’t understand what the concept is and miss the point.

Please watch the full complement of video’s released by this very clever man.

And if you think he is as good as I think is then post your reply on the YouTube, he deserves a pat on the back!

http://www.youtube.com/profile_video...fectGolfer&p=r

[Ian Hancock]

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Crikey Cliff,

Not to sure about his shorts, I have to admit he is very deep with his thoughts but also very very good, I like the theory of the child on a swing to give a good example about creating power.

Also he is correct with the left arm, the only thing he didn't touch on was keeping the back to the target while appling both moves.

I suggest starting the clip at 2 minutes, this guy could talk a glass eye sleep with what and wherefores.


Very good

Ian.

[Cliff]

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If you are serious about golf, I know I am lol. You need to watch all 2 hours of video’s and watch it over again that’s if you are getting old lol I forget most I have seen (some times that is a good thing especially if it’s a lake to the right !)

He makes sense of the myths of golf. He wears those shorts so you can see the muscle/moves in the swing that piece together a simple bio-mechanical golf swing.

Don’t knock it till you see all of it please. And I’m sure when you do it will be congratulation and not condemnation.

Regards Cliff

BTW there are 23 video's http://www.youtube.com/profile_video...fectGolfer&p=r

One reason to start the swing the correct way.

[Neil18]

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I've tried very hard to watch these but I can't.

I'm sure he's making many valid points that are useful, but I feel like it's one point made for every 4 minutes of chat.

I was impressed by his accurate description of how and why he positioned his spotlights though.

Please can someone tell me whether watching these videos is like reading one of my long-winded posts? If so, I'll revise them in future.

Cliff, this is all a little bit of a tongue-in-cheek post (probably cos I'm a little bored at work right now) so please don't take this as too serious or a direct cain of your preferences. If it's useful to you then that's great, but I'm thinking you have had to watch it many times not due to your ageing memory but purely due to the fact that it's misty ramble interspersed with good info that I felt I have to try really hard pick out.

Maybe his videos will get better the more he does.

Lovely pins.

[BrianW]

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I believe this is Jeff Mann who was quite prolific on this site at one time. He has a web site that lays out his studies on the golf swing. It is very informative and a little subjective in places but what isn't subjective in golf?

These videos are referenced on the site but there is MUCH more.

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/

[Neil18]

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Ah Jeff Mann!!

I remember him!

He's good, he is!

Carry on!

[bruin]

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all i can say is .... thank heavens for 3skills!!!!

[AvidGolfer]

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If you can stay the pace, this man knows his stuff on Bio-Mechanics and the mechanism that triggers one motion followed by the next and so on. While it is too late in life for me to start over and re-build using his simple examples, he has opened my eyes to what should happen in a golf swing. And I will be using some of them to keep me on track you could say.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_video...fectGolfer&p=r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S1EeOP6xJ0

There was definitely a lot of babbling going on in that video (I watched a couple minutes of it, went and did other things, and then resumed the video. Don't know how you can get through that in one sitting ). I didn't hear anything that sounded bio-mechanics based.

There are two particular areas with which I take objection.
First, he is telling players to separate the left arm from the chest during the swing. That is not correct (that is counter to the towel/headcover/glove under the armpit drill that is often advocated by good instructors and preformed by good (including Tour) players. In addition if you swung your left arm like that you'd come up into a high finish where the club would hit you in the head when the wrists re-hinge. If you swung your left arm up into that position (where it is straight and separated) your right hand would not be able to reach your left.

Separating the left arm from the chest can lead to (among other bad things) block shots, and an inability to be able to start shots to the left of target to start (ex: fades). Just ask Greg Norman who said one of the big things he worked on, with Butch Harmon when he started with him in the early nineties, was keeping the the upper left arm hugging the chest on the through swing.
(Picture of his errored swing from his video below)


Second, he is talking about pushing a child in a park swing and advocating that movement in a golf swing. The golf club swings on a tilted plane, and is striking an object on a flat surface. A child's swing in a park moves vertically up and down on a single axis, and never moves horizontally.

Based on what he said and demonstrated in this video I'll skip watching any other videos he has floating around out there.

[Cliff]

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[QUOTE=AvidGolfer;10551640]There was definitely a lot of babbling going on in that video (I watched a couple minutes of it.QUOTE]

It’s great to see some folks comments on here ROLF

If you understood golf or any sport at all the drills you learn (Like the towel under the armpit) are corrections for faults in your swing. To think you are going to stay in contact with your upper chest throughout the swing is a myth and a total misunderstanding of what the drill is all about. You best take up hockey!!

Like many drills/exercises/gizmo’s they are designed to help you improve, and not to be rigidly adhered too that we loose all feeling for the game. But then you might not have time to understand that!



Your Quote (Just ask Greg Norman who said one of the big things he worked on, with Butch Harmon when he started with him in the early nineties, was keeping the the upper left arm hugging the chest on the through swing)

No I would rather ask Nick Faldo a question on how to stay cool under pressure. (Greg’s swing fell apart when he needed it most!!) Great player Greg is too though but not quite made it like many others) BTW Greg flew in to our golf club back in the 80's after playing The Open. Nice chap he is and enjoys a beer or three you could say.

Anyway I don’t need to explain to you what he is teaching if you can’t grasp it, then it dose not matter, not all can see the light.

Regards Cliff

[AvidGolfer]

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If you understood golf or any sport at all the drills you learn (Like the towel under the armpit) are corrections for faults in your swing. To think you are going to stay in contact with your upper chest throughout the swing is a myth and a total misunderstanding of what the drill is all about. You best take up hockey!!

Like many drills/exercises/gizmo’s they are designed to help you improve, and not to be rigidly adhered too that we loose all feeling for the game. But then you might not have time to understand that!

Regards Cliff

Boy Cliff you sure took that criticism personally, and reacted harshly.

If you've read my other posts I think you'll see I do understand golf. Just because my views differ from your views does not mean that I am wrong. As I said if you swing your left arm into the position he advocates (seperated from the chest) you will not be able to reach your left hand or the grip with your right hand (your right arm would have to be more than a foot longer than your left arm). Trying to swing into that position with both arms attached to the grip could result in the left arm chicken winging, excessively dipping the right shoulder, loosing grip of the club, and very likely soreness and injury in the wirsts, arms, and shoulders.

The object under the armpit drill is not for faults alone. Look at Jim Hardy's students (including Jacobsen and McCarron) who tuck their shirts under their armpits and hit shots keeping the shirts there the entire time and hit long and accurate shots. Faldo is among those who would say (and does in his Golf the Winning Formula) the left arm extension is advocated by people who don't understand the way the swing works.

If you were to tell Jacobsen, McCarron, Singh, or Faldo that their left arm should seperate in the way the guy in the video advocates they'd laugh at you and walk off.

[Cliff]

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No offence to you my friend just each to his own. That’s what open forum is all about I hope.

Regards Cliff

[BrianW]

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I think it is unfair to take everything he does as literal. In the section where his left arm is separated from his chest he is showing novice golfers how to stop an over the top move. We should not look at what he is doing in a nit picking manner but more in context. My left arm separates from my chest during the finish but that seems quite natural to me, I am only interested in what happens up to the release a few feet past impact, the rest is taken care of by momentum.

This video explains how connection with the arms and chest should be considered.

Regarding how his analogy with pushing a child on a swing should be taken in context. See this video:

[Cliff]

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Very true my friend, we each see/understand/misunderstand a principle/video/drill that is the only way to learn not just in golf but life as a whole.

How we interpret it is quite often how we feel at the time of viewing it. Some times it sinks in and some times to fly’s straight on by.

Just referring to the swing motion, I often practice with the club/hands passed impact about a foot passed and then swinging back with a little more rhythm to the swing to the top and back through to impact, this feed back is great to free up the start of my normal swing. It’s a great feeling for me any way.

A natural ball/sport/hand eye coordinated person will understand a change in a golf swing better than one that is not so gifted that also is a part of life.


Regards Cliff

[Jeff Mann]

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Cliff

I am glad to learn that you found my swing video lesson informative.

I am no longer affected by "criticism" and I even don't mind extremely negative criticism. Most of it is rendered by people who are unwilling to thoroughly peruse my work and/or who misconstrue my intentions. For example, I never stated that the left arm should separate from the chest wall in the opening video segment. I was merely trying to demonstrate that the golf swing is essentially a swinging action whereby the left arm is pulled (not pushed) across the front of the body, so that the arm and clubshaft can swing freely across the front of the rotating torso. The right arm can only add swing power in a swinger (not a hitter) via the right forearm extensor action (via straightening of the right elbow) which occurs in the mid-downswing. That's equivalent to an "extra" push action that a mother gives to a child swinging on a chain swingset. In a golf swing (performed by a swinger and not a hitter), the push action of the right forearm on the clubshaft (exerted via PP1 in TGM terms) must be perfectly time-coordinated and power-coordinated with the centrifugal release action that dominates a swinger's clubshaft release - otherwise it will merely disrupt the downswing. By contrast, in a hitter, the right forearm powers the downswing via a push action and it provides most of the swing power.


I didn't discuss the followthrough/finish phase in my swing video lesson. It is obvious that the left elbow must fold so that the right hand can swivel over the left hand, and thereby place the flat left wrist (FLW) and clubshaft on the surface of the inclined plane (so that the butt end of the clubshaft points at the ball-target line) in the mid-phase of the finish period of the swing.

Jeff.

[BrianW]

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Cliff

I am glad to learn that you found my swing video lesson informative.

I am no longer affected by "criticism" and I even don't mind extremely negative criticism. Most of it is rendered by people who are unwilling to thoroughly peruse my work and/or who misconstrue my intentions. For example, I never stated that the left arm should separate from the chest wall in the opening video segment. I was merely trying to demonstrate that the golf swing is essentially a swinging action whereby the left arm is pulled (not pushed) across the front of the body, so that the arm and clubshaft can swing freely across the front of the rotating torso. The right arm can only add swing power in a swinger (not a hitter) via the right forearm extensor action (via straightening of the right elbow) which occurs in the mid-downswing. That's equivalent to an "extra" push action that a mother gives to a child swinging on a chain swingset. In a golf swing (performed by a swinger and not a hitter), the push action of the right forearm on the clubshaft (exerted via PP1 in TGM terms) must be perfectly time-coordinated and power-coordinated with the centrifugal release action that dominates a swinger's clubshaft release - otherwise it will merely disrupt the downswing. By contrast, in a hitter, the right forearm powers the downswing via a push action and it provides most of the swing power.


I didn't discuss the followthrough/finish phase in my swing video lesson. It is obvious that the left elbow must fold so that the right hand can swivel over the left hand, and thereby place the flat left wrist (FLW) and clubshaft on the surface of the inclined plane (so that the butt end of the clubshaft points at the ball-target line) in the mid-phase of the finish period of the swing.

Jeff.

Hi Jeff,

I hope you are well.

For what it may be worth I think your website and videos are a good resource for many golfers. No one has to agree with your beliefs but you have every right to state them. You will probably agree that constructive criticism and debate is healthy but I understand that nit picking objections that fail to grasp the point in hand can be onerous.