my swing, face on. is it ott?

[medici999]

hi guys, firstly im a 6handicap in the uk.
my backswing is quite good, not great but not bad. there is no early inside takeaway, the takeaway is actually good. however im getting shut due to my left wrist bowing which is a quick fix!
the problem is, is that i cant seem to start the downswing with my lower body no matter how hard i try! so at impact i am swinging quite left so i can actually see my cutting across the ball.

any tips will be great.

heres my video!!

[LowPost42]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

It looks to me like you come off the ball going back. It's no big deal as you get back on top of it.

Your downswing looks synchronized to me - hips and shoulders firing at the same time.

I'll defer to the swing guru's beyond this. I'm a club doc, not a swing doc.

[medici999]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

i hate how my left arm and wrist looks, wish i could get more like charles howell at the top, lovely and wide!

[LowPost42]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

Your hands don't look particularily high - perhaps you should be looking more towards Aaron Baddeley.

[medici999]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

anymore help?

[LowPost42]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

Since you look like a one-planer, I suggest you head to www.oneplanegolfswing.com and become a member ($15/mth, USD) and surf through the instructional videos.

[AvidGolfer]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

hi guys, firstly im a 6handicap in the uk.
my backswing is quite good, not great but not bad. there is no early inside takeaway, the takeaway is actually good. however im getting shut due to my left wrist bowing which is a quick fix!
the problem is, is that i cant seem to start the downswing with my lower body no matter how hard i try! so at impact i am swinging quite left so i can actually see my cutting across the ball.

any tips will be great.

heres my video!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mWZRFU-SvM&fmt=18

I took some screen captures from the video you uploaded. (see below)

Your setup looks pretty good. If you want to modify it so that it better promotes lower body action starting down I recommend trying to pre-tilt your upper body away from the target a little bit more, and bump your right hip toward the target slightly at address. I can't see your feet, but you could also consider setting your back foot closer to sqaure at address rather than flaired out (if it isn't already). Those things will promote the lower body to have a head start on the downswing.

Your backswing looks pretty good. I can't see your knees and lower legs from this video, but its possible that your right knee could be popping out past your foot, or your foot could be flaring out during the swing. Having your hip pre-bumped toward the target at address could elimanate the problem IF it is happening.

On your start down your head seems to move slightly toward the target (which is acceptable, but it promotes upper body action), your right shoulder also looks like it might be moving toward the ball comming down. If you look at the pros (Charles Howell and Nick Faldo being two good examples) you will see that they keep the right shoulder back as the club starts to drop down. The pre-tilt of the spine away from the target at setup will help promote the upper body staying back a little better. As far as swing thoughts you could think of one of the following:
Have the left shoulder raise up starting down (which will drop the right shoulder down and the club behind you).
Have the right arm drop down to the right side while the back stays facing the target (again it will promote the right shoulder staying back and dropping the club behind you).
Bumping the right hip toward the target slightly on the start down (causing the left side to rise slightly and the lower body to move ahead of the upper body). Overall it looks like your hips spin open on the downswing, but don't shift toward the target much during the downswing. If you look at Ernie Els hip action you will notice that his downswing begins with the hips shifting very slightly before they start turning.


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1...dici999qf0.jpg

[medici999]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

hi there, i appreciate you taking your time to help me out. in all the swings i make now, im setting up with a bit more axis tilt, trying to keep the tilt on the backswing, but even when i try really hard to really keep my head back it still wants to go forward, ive tried most of the suggestions you have but none seemed to work, i like the left shoulder going up, but when i do that my right shoulder seems to go out and i seem to finish with my weight not fully through the shot. thanks

[BrianW]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

Its difficult to see from the front and at the speed you swing but you seem to come out of your spine angle in the down swing, especially through impact. Your right shoulder is lifting and heaving round.

You need to keep your rotation more around your spine so that your right shoulder comes more under your chin and your arms release and extend around on plane, currently they are being forced to swing across your body creating the cut shot.

[jbrunk]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

That aint swaying off the ball for one thing, that pivot looks good.

What do you not like about the ball flight?

If you are trying to get more inside, work on bringing your hands to the ball from the top.

[golfndawg]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

I took some screen captures from the video you uploaded. (see below)

Your setup looks pretty good. If you want to modify it so that it better promotes lower body action starting down I recommend trying to pre-tilt your upper body away from the target a little bit more, and bump your right hip toward the target slightly at address. I can't see your feet, but you could also consider setting your back foot closer to sqaure at address rather than flaired out (if it isn't already). Those things will promote the lower body to have a head start on the downswing.

Your backswing looks pretty good. I can't see your knees and lower legs from this video, but its possible that your right knee could be popping out past your foot, or your foot could be flaring out during the swing. Having your hip pre-bumped toward the target at address could elimanate the problem IF it is happening.

On your start down your head seems to move slightly toward the target (which is acceptable, but it promotes upper body action), your right shoulder also looks like it might be moving toward the ball comming down. If you look at the pros (Charles Howell and Nick Faldo being two good examples) you will see that they keep the right shoulder back as the club starts to drop down. The pre-tilt of the spine away from the target at setup will help promote the upper body staying back a little better. As far as swing thoughts you could think of one of the following:
Have the left shoulder raise up starting down (which will drop the right shoulder down and the club behind you).
Have the right arm drop down to the right side while the back stays facing the target (again it will promote the right shoulder staying back and dropping the club behind you).
Bumping the right hip toward the target slightly on the start down (causing the left side to rise slightly and the lower body to move ahead of the upper body). Overall it looks like your hips spin open on the downswing, but don't shift toward the target much during the downswing. If you look at Ernie Els hip action you will notice that his downswing begins with the hips shifting very slightly before they start turning.


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1...dici999qf0.jpg

If you look at your head at address and at the top of the swing it has moved right (good pivot)and at the start of the downswing you'll see that your head has moved forward going by the the mirror in the background,if you keep your head at that point at the top of your swing and drop the right shoulder,the hips bump left, it's all axis tilt, you know Brimanz stuff,I would go back ummm, not sure what episode 1,3,5 maybe,well there all good but one of those is the answer, I've seen the post on here and manz and everybody talks about the same thing, you just gotta do it.....

[Cliff]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

The swing is typical of young man with plenty of moving parts, some good some not so good.

Firstly the athletic stance/build looks good and the wide take away will set you up for a great power wind up at the top.

This might be why you are showing more head movement during the swing than is good for you.

At impact the shoulders have rotated past square (could do with a video from behind to confirm please) Most properly due to you starting the downswing with a shoulder move and not a leg move first!

You don’t seem to have much room at the impact area to freely strike through the ball, you look a little cramped at impact, at the start of your swing you stand tall (that’s good BTW) and as you start to move the club back you have dropped your head a few inches.

As said in a previous thread setting the spine angle at address so that the upper body is away from target by some 4 to 5 % will help you stay/turn more around the spine and not through it.



Over all the swing looks good and will no doubt improve along with the HC. Most of all keep smiling as you do in the video.


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[medici999]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

thanks cliff.
so what do you suggest i work on then after spinal tilt and staying taller?

[Cliff]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

One thing at a time is the first lesson.

Try out the above see what effect it has on your swing.

Then try and post a better video front full shot and behind (down the line view) then we can make changes if needed.

Regards Cliff

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[pnearn]

Re: my swing, face on. is it ott?

I really dont think theres much wrong but it looks to me as if you *could* suffer a little from what I do. Halfway down into the DS you stop turning and release your arms and thats what makes you cut across the ball

When I feel like Ive just held the hands back/retained the wrist angle and just turned all the way through the shot then I hit the ball great. Feels like im going to hit the ball way left *with my pivot only* and totally passive hands - and rely on the body and grip to square the clubface up. I can feel when I stop turning and try and release my hands/forearms through the ball. I'll usually pull hook it and from behind it looks like I come OTT

Might not be your problem ( a down the line shot would be better) but might be worth looking at?