Push Release?

[golfndawg]

I've heard of 3 different releases, maybe here I can't remember. Anyway,as of today (on the range)I've have gone to a pretty open stance with all clubs because I am fighting the hook again, I have not changed my grip (strong) and my club is more closed, because it feels natural. Lately I have gotten into rolling my hands back in the BS to try and get the club square( screw that ) all it did was mess things up even more.

I opened my stance, on the BS right wrist hinged back (closed face) and swung out with the prettiest little fade (for me ) that I have ever hit, with all clubs.

So the question is: What is a push release? and going by what I have written is this what I am doing? Whatever you call this it was way to easy because I have always set up a little closed and it was just a matter of time before the BIG HOOK came into play, you know the one's that won't listen,lol.

Thanks

[LowPost42]

Re: Push Release?

It sounds like you've decided to keep the face dead shut on the takeaway, and simply block through impact.

Sounds like what I considered a push release.

The slap-hinge involves the breaking of the wrists, and the crossover or rollover is forearm action, as I understand them.

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

It sounds like you've decided to keep the face dead shut on the takeaway, and simply block through impact.

Sounds like what I considered a push release.

I believe thats exactly whats happening......But I guess I'm a little confused why it is so much easier with an open stance than a closed or even square stance, I have never tinkered with an open stance until now but I think that might be it for my swing.

[LowPost42]

Re: Push Release?

It's my guesstimation that the push release works better with an open stance as you have more room to move to 'block' the shot. You'll find you'll pickup distance if you can make it work square or even slightly closed.

I spent most of last year taking the club back shut and blocking the ball out because I spent the two years prior opening the club on the way back and then leaving it there through impact (so I opened the club, then blocked it out).

I've spent the winter working on closing the clubface through impact. So I have no idea what my release looks like - it may very well be a hybrid crossover/slap-hinge. It certainly isn't a push anymore!

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

Didn't Trevino have a pretty open stance with a strong grip and just hinge the right wrist back(no rolling or opening)and just block the piss out of it? I'm not real familiar with his swing,if it wasn't him I know there's somebody out there that does this, just gotta found out who so I can READ......

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

A push or pull, fade or draw, slice or hook, can be hit from both an open stance or a closed stance. The ball flight results depends on your swing plane (with reference to coming into the ball from the inside, directly, or from the outside) and where the club face is pointing at impact.

If you stand open you can still create a swing plane that causes the club head to come into the ball from the inside, and conversely with a closed stance you can create a swing plane that causes the club head to come into the ball from the outside. Also, depending on your grip, arm rotation, tension, hand/wrist manipulation, etc. you can leave the face open, closed or square through impact.

A good stance [alignment] is desirable to allow the golfer to swing on the correct swing plane (with reference to coming into the ball from the inside, directly, or from the outside) to produce the desired shot (fade, straight, draw).

It is my belief that you might have many manipulative movements and contrived angles in your swing.

Well I must be doing something right to have all these manipulative movements and contrived angles in my swing. Who know's

[LowPost42]

Re: Push Release?

GDawg, I think it was Trevino (definitely open, never looked at his release).

Go Low, you mean path, not plane.

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi
i use the Trevino system and feet are open about 45% and the face of my club is closed about 15% looking to the left of the target.
with me a push release is the plane of the club as it comes onto impact and through.
with my open swing i swing from inside to out and keep my hand swinging away from my body as i come into impact and i am pushing my hands down the target line and not letting them cross and swing back in till well after the ball has gone.
i feel as if i push my hand through impact and away from me and that gives me a nice fade that i can control by adjusting the face of the club when setting up and its easy controlling how much fade i get. you also have to use your hips more and slid towards the target with your hips a bit more and you must keep the elbow of your right arm ahead of you right hip and it only leaves your hip after impact with the ball.
Trevino swings uses a out to in backswing and then uses his hips to keep the swing plane in-to-out on the downswing. i swing back square to in and then in to out on the downswing.
its like chipping when you stand open you don't swing down the plane your feet are in you swing down a plane in line with your target and not your feet.
cheers
bill

[pnearn]

Re: Push Release?

Bill

Do you not lose a lot of distance this way? I did this for a while a few years ago and still do it sometimes when I have to hit a fade - no doubt you get great compression but I found I was losing up to 10-20 yards on my irons and there was no way I could hit a draw or a low punch / knockdown

Do you hit down with your right hand or use the body to turn the face square through impact?

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi Pnern
yes your right i loss about 10 yards but i hit the fairway 95% of the time and it the same on the greens from say a 5 iron up to a wedge.
years ago i use to draw the ball but i was lots longer maybe as much at 20 yards at times but i was all over the place with my drives.
now i seem to have much more control of what the ball does and i would swap that for 10 more yards. i feel I'm playing well within myself and that gives you a confidence that you can make most of the shots your are trying for.
with a drive i get about 255-265 that run as well, so there are not many holes i cant reach in two and most par 5 i have a wedge or a 9 iron so i don't feel i loss out.
i try and hold off any turn of the wrists and the back of my left hand drives through to the target and i do not have any backward move of my hips but there is a big forward movement.
on my backswing i feel my left shoulder under my chin and then i feel my right elbow drop in front of my right hip and my hip helps drive my elbow forward and i feel i hit through with the back of my left hand.
cheers
bill

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

hi
i use the Trevino system and feet are open about 45% and the face of my club is closed about 15% looking to the left of the target.
with me a push release is the plane of the club as it comes onto impact and through.
with my open swing i swing from inside to out and keep my hand swinging away from my body as i come into impact and i am pushing my hands down the target line and not letting them cross and swing back in till well after the ball has gone.
i feel as if i push my hand through impact and away from me and that gives me a nice fade that i can control by adjusting the face of the club when setting up and its easy controlling how much fade i get. you also have to use your hips more and slid towards the target with your hips a bit more and you must keep the elbow of your right arm ahead of you right hip and it only leaves your hip after impact with the ball.
Trevino swings uses a out to in backswing and then uses his hips to keep the swing plane in-to-out on the downswing. i swing back square to in and then in to out on the downswing.
its like chipping when you stand open you don't swing down the plane your feet are in you swing down a plane in line with your target and not your feet.
cheers
bill

That's pretty much what I was looking for, especially when you say that the hands are moving away from your body, instead of moving down the footline. Do you feel like the ball is back in the stance more?

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi golfndawg
yes the ball is a little more back in the stance but you have to watch you don't move it to far back with the long iron and woods as you need to move your hips towards the target(target- where you want the ball to start out, not where you want it to fade to.) to bring the ball back in you stance, if you don't use the hips this way you lose a lot of distance.
my hips control the downswing but i don't really think about it it all just seems to happen if my elbow drops in front of my right hip then nothing seems to go wrong. if my hip gets in front i hit a really big fade and also loss distance and i know right away the hip moved before i had my right elbow in place, thats the only thing i find that can go wrong in the Trevino swing, every thing else happens as a result of the set up and you swinging inside to out and away from the body.
cheers bill

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

I'm getting ready to go hit some more and just double check that yesterday was not a fluke, I'll let ya know when I get back.

Thanks

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi golfndawg
try and stop any backward movement of your hips by putting more weight on the instep of the right foot and keep it there on the back swing, do that maybe 5 or 6 times on your practice swing and get the feel of the hips turning but not sliding. but slid the hips on the downswing before you start to turn them.
once you get use to it you will find that you hit a good fade with ease.
cheers
bill

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi goldndawg
here is a few pictures of Richard Wax and he used the Mindy Black system that if very like Lee Trevino's open system, if you look you will see his right leg and how it stops his hips from sliding back but you can see the power he gets into his swing and how his elbow drops ahead of his right hip and that right hip helps drive the hands through the ball, with the Mindy Black system its all about reflex, everything that happens in the downswing is reflex.
and it a great system for the older golfers, i think Richard Wax is 65 years old now and still playing of a very low handicap.