View my video lesson and comment

[chessbum]

To all,

Below is a link to a video web-based golf lesson that I had. In another thread, I eluded to the biggest problem in my golf swing..that of being a chronic flipper of the golf club.

This link shows exactly what I am talking about.

Please, I would love to hear your comments!!!

Here is my video lesson:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/chessbum/videos/1/

Chessbum...

[pnearn]

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To all,

Below is a link to a video web-based golf lesson that I had. In another thread, I eluded to the biggest problem in my golf swing..that of being a chronic flipper of the golf club.

This link shows exactly what I am talking about.

Please, I would love to hear your comments!!!

Here is my video lesson:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/chessbum/videos/1/

Chessbum...

Yes, you start down well but then flip it through release

What my pro had me do a few years back was feel like the whole body works the arms down and through the ball with the left arm staying straight and the left wrist flat. Start with pitches but rather than swing/flip/scoop with your hands through impact feel as if its your body that moves the arms down into the back of the ball .. everything together in one package as it were ..

The feeling is as if you hit down and out to the right a little with the left arm still straight by moving the triangle formed by the arms at address down and around with the body rather than the hands .. it will feel like your upper body is much more invovled and your hands dont do much

[BrianW]

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The problem is definitely releasing the club too early, you are casting the club from the top so that when you get to the ball momentum is pushing your wrists forward. You need to hold on to that angle in your wrists much longer so that you still have most of it as your arms near your right leg. Hold off the power untill you are into the impact zone.

You take the club back nicely but are tending to hang back on your trail foot a little too much as you come down, try getting a little more over the ball in the downswing, this is aggravating the problems you have with casting.

[GregJWillis]

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What is interesting, is there was no comment on your lower body at impact. You are square. You need to be open, and this will keep you from flipping. You will lag the hands back, fully rotate the hips and will have that Hogan impact straight left arm and club position.

[jbrunk]

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To all,

Below is a link to a video web-based golf lesson that I had. In another thread, I eluded to the biggest problem in my golf swing..that of being a chronic flipper of the golf club.

This link shows exactly what I am talking about.

Please, I would love to hear your comments!!!

Here is my video lesson:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/chessbum/videos/1/

Chessbum...

You need to learn the proper manner that the wrists release, which is forearm rotation.

[jambalaya]

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What is interesting, is there was no comment on your lower body at impact. You are square. You need to be open, and this will keep you from flipping. You will lag the hands back, fully rotate the hips and will have that Hogan impact straight left arm and club position.

Great point. That is something I can bring to my next pratice session too. Brian kind of touched on it too with his "hanging back on the right side comment". I am guilty of that.

[chessbum]

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What is interesting, is there was no comment on your lower body at impact. You are square. You need to be open, and this will keep you from flipping. You will lag the hands back, fully rotate the hips and will have that Hogan impact straight left arm and club position.

First of all, thanks to all of you for your thoughts and comments!! All are VERY EXCELLENT!!

What really struck me, is this comment from Greg Willis. After reading it, I reviewed the video. I think what you are saying is that at impact my body is square to the ball when in fact it should be open, correct?? It just struck me that this may be the key to all my problems. It may be that when I get to the ball and my body squares up that I STOP the rotation and hence I am unable or at least very difficult to maintain the angle in my wrists. Would you all agree with this assessment?

I am excited! What do you all think of this revelation???

Please advise,

Thanks,

Chessbum....

[ben hogan]

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You're backswing is considered an upper body sway,increasing the radius
of the swing . Pulls the hip causing the knee to fold excessively.
In the downswing you're forced to make up this difference in order
to get the hands in front of the ball. Place a a club across you're
shoulders left hand first...push you're right shoulder back behind you...
without moving you're spine...you're right hip will follow...you'll loose
the flex in right knee (but not lock)... Fast froward this video to 6:00
learn to center you're shoulders to the hips...



http://youtube.com/watch?v=3KJF_Db8Ef8

[LowPost42]

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Did that guy say his name was Bobby Clampett? How many times did he say 'Impact Zone' and 'Magic area'? Or is he a 3skiller or symple swing guy, talking about hammering the nail? LOL

Chessbum - I like your 'revelation' due to Greg's comment.

Stopping your rotation and consequently flinging your arms and hands at the ball feels very powerful - it's why we do it. But it's also an incredible timing issue that, generally, only results in a flippy swing.

The only other thing I may offer - and I've been getting decent results with it - is to reduce how much you move off the ball going back. I posted a while ago about Greg's walking drill, and how I've noticed that if you turn your shoulders properly, your weight shifts just fine; you don't have to move it anywhere. You should never be more than 75% loaded up on your right side, anyway - you have to sway away from target and get your hips up over your right leg to do so. I'm figuring out that the weight shift is very subtle - it's very automatic as you swing the club by keeping your hips turning on the downswing and you focus on hitting the ball.

I fully agree with Greg you need to keep turning; you'll end up with the feeling that 'you should have hit the ball by now' to start, but then you'll be amazed as it heads towards target, felt better, spins more into greens, and goes farther as you've compressed it. You cannot compress the ball properly with a flip. Physics says it's impossible. You may want to invest in a 'Greg Norman's "The Secret"' and hit balls with it. Guaranteed to stop your flipping.

[chessbum]

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Did that guy say his name was Bobby Clampett? How many times did he say 'Impact Zone' and 'Magic area'? Or is he a 3skiller or symple swing guy, talking about hammering the nail? LOL

Chessbum - I like your 'revelation' due to Greg's comment.

Stopping your rotation and consequently flinging your arms and hands at the ball feels very powerful - it's why we do it. But it's also an incredible timing issue that, generally, only results in a flippy swing.

The only other thing I may offer - and I've been getting decent results with it - is to reduce how much you move off the ball going back. I posted a while ago about Greg's walking drill, and how I've noticed that if you turn your shoulders properly, your weight shifts just fine; you don't have to move it anywhere. You should never be more than 75% loaded up on your right side, anyway - you have to sway away from target and get your hips up over your right leg to do so. I'm figuring out that the weight shift is very subtle - it's very automatic as you swing the club by keeping your hips turning on the downswing and you focus on hitting the ball.

I fully agree with Greg you need to keep turning; you'll end up with the feeling that 'you should have hit the ball by now' to start, but then you'll be amazed as it heads towards target, felt better, spins more into greens, and goes farther as you've compressed it. You cannot compress the ball properly with a flip. Physics says it's impossible. You may want to invest in a 'Greg Norman's "The Secret"' and hit balls with it. Guaranteed to stop your flipping.

Thanks Lowpost. Great commentary.

Let me ask you a question. When you say "moving off the ball" are you talking about moving my head or upper body away from the ball opposite the target? Is the implication that I should not move away from the ball or only a small amount? Can you clarify?

Incidently, for those who are wondering, this video lesson was taken at a business conference in Longbeach, CA that I attended. It was sponsored by one of the vendors at the conference and all the people who took them got the lessons for free.

Thanks,

Chessbum....

[LowPost42]

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Chess, it looks like (much like Nicklaus) you've got a big hip sway off the ball (versus the result of a turn).

Granted, I'm a rotary swinger kind of guy, and used to have a big slide off the ball, trying to get my weight shifted. What I'm finding is that you really don't need to actively shift your weight. In fact, I've been looking at some stack and tilt stuff, and your weight actually keeps increasing on your lead side in that swing; not actively, but as a result of how the shoulder turn works.

As it was explained to me this weekend (in the S&T) you start out 55/45 weight balanced, lead foot/trail foot. At the top of your swing, it's 60/40, but at the finish of your swing, it's 95/5 (or 99/1). I've seen it a few times where it's said that most amateurs don't get enough weight back to the left, ever, in the swing. Sliding your hips off the ball doesn't make it any easier to get back to the left.

[jambalaya]

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Chess, it looks like (much like Nicklaus) you've got a big hip sway off the ball (versus the result of a turn).

Granted, I'm a rotary swinger kind of guy, and used to have a big slide off the ball, trying to get my weight shifted. What I'm finding is that you really don't need to actively shift your weight. In fact, I've been looking at some stack and tilt stuff, and your weight actually keeps increasing on your lead side in that swing; not actively, but as a result of how the shoulder turn works.

As it was explained to me this weekend (in the S&T) you start out 55/45 weight balanced, lead foot/trail foot. At the top of your swing, it's 60/40, but at the finish of your swing, it's 95/5 (or 99/1). I've seen it a few times where it's said that most amateurs don't get enough weight back to the left, ever, in the swing. Sliding your hips off the ball doesn't make it any easier to get back to the left.

Amen brother. The term weight shift kinda puts into our heads an idea of sliding our weight back and forth. But if you slide that hip back you will not get the weight where it belongs and that is on the inside of the back leg. Too much lateral hip movment makes it hard to turn forward and get the weight on the left side. I think of it this way: You probably set your right leg at address with a little flex in it. Set your back foot square to the target line. Now do a slow motion backswing, resist turning the hips, keep the right leg securely planted and flexed and pretend there is a wall up against the back hip preventing any lateral movement. You should feel increased tension on the inside of your back leg going from the inside of the hip down to the ground. That is weight shift. You don't need to move laterally at all to achieve it. The downswing is much the same, transfer that tension to the left leg and rotate around it. Going forward is a little harder. You need to replant the left foot so that when you turn it accepts the forward weight rotation. Some people think of it as a bump of the front hip forward, others think of it as planting the front foot. But that tension is transferred to the inside of the left leg.

[LowPost42]

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That's a big if, golfinguy. Most amateurs don't position themselves right. They let the weight get outside the foot.

And I've done the drill - and summarily pushed the ball into the turf!

[chessbum]

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In consideration of all the great comments, I am working on the continuation of rotation at and through impact. A great comment, by the way. I have been using Greg Willis's Impact drill to help me with this but also found the following video that is VERY HELPFUL.

I thought I would share it with all of you and also again seek your comments on it. It seems a very simple way of getting the rotation right.

What do you think??

Chessbum...

[BrianW]

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In consideration of all the great comments, I am working on the continuation of rotation at and through impact. A great comment, by the way. I have been using Greg Willis's Impact drill to help me with this but also found the following video that is VERY HELPFUL.

I thought I would share it with all of you and also again seek your comments on it. It seems a very simple way of getting the rotation right.

What do you think??

Chessbum...

The Shawn Clements power move video has been used a number of times on the site and it explains the correct pivot action beautifully.