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[Neil18]

Hello all,

I've been waiting for months for this to be posted by someone else on here, and I can't believe it hasn't, so I'm gonna do it!

Watch this, and all of his other videos.

These guys (dog included) are getting legendary status on Golfwrx.com and the thread on there is now 96 pages long with 3,814 comments, so you could say the videos have created quite a stir:

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index....owtopic=175341

Thoughts anyone?

[rotator]

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Hi Neil,

I saw this a while back, and watched it over and over. I put it in my bookmarks. It's mesmirizing, isn't it. I believe it was Hogan's secret he was fooling around to find? I also read most of the comments by viewers at that time. I was interested enough to see all of sevam's other videos.

A one true thing is that the camera guy's running commentary is distracting and annoying.

Nice motion on that swing. Very Hoganesque.

Ted

[Neil18]

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I love the guys enthusiasm and he clearly has experience of talking to Moe Norman about the swing, and Moe learned some stuff from Hogan.

I love the sound of the strike.

Hogan was known for his accuracy, but he could be long if he wanted to be. If anybody on Tour swung it like Hogan nowadays they'd be around the 300 yd mark I'm sure.

What I was very interested in was Sevam1's comments on weight shift and pivot points.

I was recently converting my weight shift thoughts to be more natural. By that I mean that my weight will and should be where my head is (the head being the heaviest part of the body). If you stand in a golf posture and try to put the majoruty of your weight on your lead foot whilst keeping your head behind the ball, you can't do it without shifting your hips severely to the left, so much so that the left hip will be outside the left leg. Not good for balance in the follow through.

So, in essence, the weight shift is more gradual and flows with the club, hence the club pull you up on your left leg to finish. This contradicts a lot of teachings that focus on getting the weight over to the left leg early. I've found that approach can lead to a lot of pulls pushes and (in the worst case) shanks. So Sevam1 is advocating 2 pivot points. The right leg in the backswing and downswing, and the left leg in the follow-through.

It feels more natural to me. More like a step through the ball. And I release teh clubhead through the ball much better. When I first tried it I was much straighter and longer and my swing flowed much more. It felt weird at first because I was keeping more weight on my right foot for longer into the downswing and impact, but the results don't lie. As long as I keep the ball position constant and don't stand up out of the shot, it's bullet straight city!

Just gotta get rid of my bad weight-shift habits and improve my planes to be more shallow to get it consistent.

I like it!

[Neil18]

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interesting take. i didn't really see the gradual shift from that video. i think i might try that though. one reason i might try it is BECAUSE it contradicts a lot of teachings. since i started looking outside the box and away from tradition my game has improved immensly.

hogan may not have been the shortest, but he diffenatly wasn't the longest either. his biggest power leak (and this may have been his greatest consistancy and the whole reason he did it and gave up the power for it) was the right arm tucked into the right side.

I was pulling some info from the golfwrx thread above. There's lots of stuff there, and lots of other stuff in the rest of his videos.

I'm a firm believer that you can either be the longest OR the most accurate, but not both. Thats why I admire Hogan's swing so much. He had the perfect marriage between distance and power. If you can hit every club in the bag accurately, why do you need to be the longest??!!

I still think he got plenty of "oomph" from his right arm because it didn't straighten out until well after the ball had gone. He really punched through the ball. Add to that his insane lag in the downswing (which is actually a little bit of a trick of the eye due to the low plane of his swing) I think his immense accuracy was because of his consistent and shallow planes.

I doesn't half feel weird though when I'm used to being more upright. Keeping my arms below my shoulders all the way feels like I'm swinging round my ankles!

[LowPost42]

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I was pulling some info from the golfwrx thread above. There's lots of stuff there, and lots of other stuff in the rest of his videos.

I'm a firm believer that you can either be the longest OR the most accurate, but not both. Thats why I admire Hogan's swing so much. He had the perfect marriage between distance and power. If you can hit every club in the bag accurately, why do you need to be the longest??!!

Jamie Sadlowski and Mike Dobbyn would like to disagree with you. Granted, the grid is usually wider than a PGA fairway.

But, when you can hit 'em 419 yards, pretty much every par 4 is 'driver, wedge'... and lots are 'driver, putter'.

But I get what you're saying - there's usually plenty of disparity between the long hitters and the accurate hitters.

[Neil18]

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Jamie Sadlowski and Mike Dobbyn would like to disagree with you. Granted, the grid is usually wider than a PGA fairway.

But, when you can hit 'em 419 yards, pretty much every par 4 is 'driver, wedge'... and lots are 'driver, putter'.

But I get what you're saying - there's usually plenty of disparity between the long hitters and the accurate hitters.

Yeah I'd like 50 yard wide fairways too!

But it ain't just fairways. It's greens too. Placing the ball in certain spots. Being able to hit an iron crisply. Touch. Sinking putts (which despite peoples misgivings, Hogan had to hole putts to win. Even being moderately long and very accurate still means you gotta putt). Reading conditions.

If it were all about blasting it, Bubba and JB would be much further up the rankings with better than 71.08 and 71.51 scoring averages respectively.

Plus, just like the golf coverage on telly, you only see the best of the long drivers. It makes good telly. There's plenty of long drivers that can miss even the deck of a super-carrier a large percentage of the time. That sort of margin for error and randomness is of absolutely no use on a golf course. You couldn't shout fore loud enough. And a 419 yard par 4 could easily still be driver - 7 iron if you got it wrong, but then add a few lines of trees, ponds and rough in the way too.

There's definately a reason why long drivers are long drivers. Not because they can't play golf. I dare say they'd tone it down a bit for a proper round and play to a very very good standard, but their power is still negated through necessity. But there's something about them that means they can't play all aspects of the game to the level required to make money out of it. But they sure can give it a wallop.

Good on 'em. But Tiger's got a bit shorter but more accurate nowadays. And he holes stupid putts! His accuracy gives his putting a chance to work for him. Same with Hogan, I reckon.

[BrianW]

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He is one of these guys that I find hard to follow, he keeps piling on so many bits of detail that I find the message gets confused. A bit like that other guy "Brian Mozzarella" or "Monzella" or what ever It's probably all good stuff if my eyes did not glaze over before I had absorbed the message.

Nice Dog **** commentator

[Neil18]

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He is one of these guys that I find hard to follow, he keeps piling on so many bits of detail that I find the message gets confused. A bit like that other guy "Brian Mozzarella" or "Monzella" or what ever It's probably all good stuff if my eyes did not glaze over before I had absorbed the message.

Nice Dog **** commentator

Yes comments have been made on golfwrx about the cameraman. I think he serves to distract Sevam1 from his train of thought.

[rotator]

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He is one of these guys that I find hard to follow, he keeps piling on so many bits of detail that I find the message gets confused. A bit like that other guy "Brian Mozzarella" or "Monzella" or what ever It's probably all good stuff if my eyes did not glaze over before I had absorbed the message.

Nice Dog **** commentator

Hee hee... Brian, the guy certainly is jacked!! Also, somewhat like one of his mentors, Moe, I suppose.

Ted

[BrianW]

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Hee hee... Brian, the guy certainly is jacked!! Also, somewhat like one of his mentors, Moe, I suppose.

Ted

Was Moe a mentor to him? I have studied Moe at length and he fascinates me, he is someone I like to discuss I did spend some time working on his golf swing and got some fair results with it. I like to watch some of those videos of Moe doing his golf clinics, what a showman and in my estimation the very best ball striker ever.

[rotator]

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Hi Brian,

At the Canadian Open, while he was alive, he would show up at the practice range every year, and all the pros would stop and gather around to watch him hit balls. He did that well into his seventies, and even shortly after recovering from a heart bypass. Most of them marveled that he was the best striker. One of them was Trevino, who many consider as a contender for that accolade. But there was another thread that discussed this subject at length.

Ted

[Neil18]

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Hi Brian,

At the Canadian Open, while he was alive, he would show up at the practice range every year, and all the pros would stop and gather around to watch him hit balls.
Ted

Legendary status assured if he could do it after his death.

[jbrunk]

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He is one of these guys that I find hard to follow, he keeps piling on so many bits of detail that I find the message gets confused. A bit like that other guy "Brian Mozzarella" or "Monzella" or what ever It's probably all good stuff if my eyes did not glaze over before I had absorbed the message.

Nice Dog **** commentator

It's Brian Manzella BTW. I find it interesting that you think Brian is confusing. One of his best traits IMO, is making the concepts simple to understand. I can't imagine you have spent much time listening to Brian if that is your perception. Maybe, it's time you took another look?

[BrianW]

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It's Brian Manzella BTW. I find it interesting that you think Brian is confusing. One of his best traits IMO, is making the concepts simple to understand. I can't imagine you have spent much time listening to Brian if that is your perception. Maybe, it's time you took another look?

I find he twaddles on and on before making a point and really overdoes the hand and face gestures to a point where I loose the will to live watching him. This guy is similar.

I did know his name, it was my attempt at a joke

[jambalaya]

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Interesting. I have used the idea of screwing the right foot down into the ground to set the back pivot point in one of my many attempts to get weight shift correct. However, I also tried to do a counter motion to get the weight to the front foot on the downswing. That did not work of course. Here he seems to be saying just keep the back foot screwed down and let everything else just happen. It is going to be worth trying for me. I know if feels really good on the backswing when you screw the foot down. I always thought that one had to release the screw to execute the downswing though.