Club face and path

[golfndawg]

I'm having a problem understanding the club face through the swing. Shouldn't by now but I do. LOL.

The toe up position halfway back does not work for me, makes me roll my wrists open and I can never get back. Keeping the face hooded does work for me and I still don't know why. Is it because the face is square to the path and not so much the target line?

When I cock my wrists up /back the face is hooded, my grip is fairly strong 2 1/2 - 3 knucks no biggie I wouldnt think nowadays, but to get the face so called "square" I have to, like I said above roll my wrists open. Am I missing something on this deal because I have read alot of times to never roll the wrists open on the backswing.

Thanks

[rotator]

Re: Club face and path

I'm having a problem understanding the club face through the swing. Shouldn't by now but I do. LOL.

The toe up position halfway back does not work for me, makes me roll my wrists open and I can never get back. Keeping the face hooded does work for me and I still don't know why. Is it because the face is square to the path and not so much the target line?

Am I missing something on this deal because I have read alot of times to never roll the wrists open on the backswing.

Thanks

Hi dawg,

When you have the face hooded halfway back, where do you end up at the top of the backswing? If you end up square, you have made a compensatory action, with the hands, wrist and or arms. If you do not make the adjustment and you took a normal turn to the top from that hooded position, you would end up in a very closed clubface (face pointing to the sky). Not altogether bad. Many players can and do play from that position, but that requires a compensatory move to square up the face again (like a strong leg and hip drive, or other hand arm adjustments).

If you want to have the almost toe up square position, you should consider rotating the forearms gradually and in synch with the takeaway back and up of the arms, along with the turn of the shoulders and body. The wrists themselves do not have to roll in isolation, they just have to cock and hinge. The rotation of the forearms with the body turn will square you to the toe up position.

Try this, with or without a club, and see if this feels comfortable to you, and achieves the position. If you're playing well from the strong closed position, it may take a while, or you may stick with it.

Ted

[BrianW]

Re: Club face and path

Hi Dawg,

If the clubface is properly on plane at the halfway back position it will be slightly hooded and pointing back towards the ball. With the toe up at this position it is not perpendicular to the swing plane.

This video explains it well:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zbELBtg48Oo

[rotator]

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Hi Brian,

That's why I specifically said almost toe up square position.
But, I'm sure you noticed that detail already.

Most people think that toe straight up is square.

Ted

[BrianW]

Re: Club face and path

Hi Brian,

That's why I specifically said almost toe up square position.
But, I'm sure you noticed that detail already.

Most people think that toe straight up is square.

Ted

Ted,

Yes I did notice that. Again we think alike.

Cheers

Brian.

[golfndawg]

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Thanks guys, been miss informed awhile back and screwed me up.

[golfndawg]

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I've been told by instructors hands on that I needed to get the leading edge to match the target line halfway back (toe up), and it made me roll the wrists.

[golfndawg]

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There's another thing that I don't understand is how do some of these guys like Duval, Azinger, and theres others hit fades with a closed face,both have stronger grips, and I don't see any ott move.

Kinda got off topic but I got zillions of questions that I can't find answers to.lol

[BrianW]

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This ritter guy isnt't the end all be all... You might not have been mis-informed a while back, you might have just heard it from a guy using a difernt method/technique. I agree some things shouldn't be mis-matched, but it doesn't mean that that guy was wrong and ritter is right.

I was explaining the way I understand it and used the video as an aid to demonstrate. No one said Ritter is the Be-all but he probably knows more than Joe average. If you disagree with the help I have offered then please explain what is wrong with it, my premise is that if you keep the clubface perpendicular to the swing plane then it HAS to be pointing slightly down at the half way stage to maintain the surface normal, if it points straight up it will be open and you will have had to roll your wrists, which is not a correct action in the takeaway.

[rotator]

Re: Club face and path

There's another thing that I don't understand is how do some of these guys like Duval, Azinger, and theres others hit fades with a closed face,both have stronger grips, and I don't see any ott move.

Kinda got off topic but I got zillions of questions that I can't find answers to.lol

Hi Dawg,

As I mentioned earlier, golfers with strong grips and closed faces at the top (Azinger and Duval are two good examples), use tremendous leg and hip drives, and torso rotation, to square the clubface.

Lee Trevino also had a very strong grip, and he compensated by taking the club to the outside and dropping it to the inside on his way down to square the face. He set up open and held onto the club a long way through impact (he did not release his hands over) so he had that controlled fade. He could draw it when he wanted to also.

Ted