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    hi guys I hit some ball this week and I am hitting slices ,,,ball going straight on line and then slicing off to right . I dont roll my wrists going back but I need some info . in my takeaway I try and keep the face looking at the ball til hip high and then feom go straight up .I have found to get to the top of your backswing you need to roll your right forearm or you wouldnt be able ot get to the top . when do you start to roll your wrists back to get the club square . I really dont play much attention to my hands in the swing I just let them work by themselves, but I now feel I must make them work . Any tips on feel would be welcome as I am a feel player not a mechanical one thanks

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    Re: Clubface open @ Impact

    hi
    if the ball starts out straight then it sounds like your tracking on line. try making your grip a little stronger, it will feel like you have closed the face a little at address. do you have a neutral to week grip???.
    cheers
    bill

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    • #3
      Re: Clubface open @ Impact

      I do use a string grip ,,,,I am thinking my right hand grip is to far right cuz when you do this it seems to make my right forearm rotate open just a little ,I know this rigth hand grip should make you roll over at impact but it doesnt for me , can you tell me how you put your right hand on the grip ,,,is your palm square to target line when your hand is open and then you close your hand over the grip when I do this my grip my rigth hand is really on top of the shaft , also at your finish when should your hands be ,,,, I can relate to what i do at the finish ,,,,,,, what does a square grip look like at the top of your swing ,,,, .perhap a good link to show this . thanks Bill .....dagoos

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      • #4
        Re: Clubface open @ Impact

        hi again
        what i do when taking my grip is i make sure the palm of my hand is in line with the leading edge of the club face and then i fold my finger round the grip, my left thumb just off to the right of the shaft and i have a strong grip and can see three knuckles, then put me right hand to the grips and again have the palm in line with the leading edge of the club face. then fold my fingers and thumb round the grip. if i lift the the club up to chest hight my palms are in line with each other and the leading edge of the club face is in line between both palms.
        i have only ever had one grip and never tried anything other than my interlocking grip. it works for me so never temped to try anything else.
        i do have one of them grips that shape your fingers to the right grip and my hand fits just like it does on the cubs. maybe try getting one of them grips that put your hands in the right place, there only a few £s.
        cheers
        bill

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        • #5
          Re: Clubface open @ Impact

          Hi dagoos,

          Here is a link which shows the positions.

          http://www.golfersworld.co.za/gw/gw-tips.asp

          Another position you may note is where the club is horizontal with the ground and pointing down your toe lines on your back swing. The toe will not be quite pointing up, but almost so (the face at a slight angle from vertical). If it was pointing straight up (face being vertical or fanned open beyond vertical), if you continued your back swing without manipulating your hands or the club, you will end up at the top with a open position. If the toe is hooded (face pointed more to the ground), you will end up with a closed position.

          I'm wondering when you say "I try and keep the face looking at the ball til hip high and then feom go straight up", if you are just lifting your arms instead of continuing to turn your body and shoulders with the arms. If so, you may well arrive at the top with the face open, especially if the left wrist is cupped at the top of the "lift". As Brian has often said, the arms and the body turn should be connected. In other words, the arms should reach the top at the same time as the shoulders and body are finishing the turn.

          It would be interesting to see your feedback re your positions.

          Ted

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          • #6
            Re: Clubface open @ Impact

            Hi dagoos,

            Bill explains the making of the grip very well.

            Here's another way some players do it, one is Frank Nobilo. It's something that you could incorporate into your pre-shot routine, while you stand behind the ball while sizing up the shot. A friend of mine had great difficulty forming the grip properly. He would try to move his palms, fingers and thumb to follow instructions, but it was always askew. When I showed him this, it clicked automatically, and he has a perfect grip now. His play has improved enormously, as well you would expect, because the grip is essential.

            (Note, to clarify the following, the shaft is in line with the toe line and the face is pointing to the front). Set the club on the ground, so the head is sitting to the right of your right foot, the shaft is angled so the grip is in front of your left thigh. With your left arm hanging relaxed, use your hand to naturally reach over and "shake hand" with the grip, and close the fingers and rest the thumb on the grip.

            You will find this will give you the grip that Bill described.
            Give it a try.

            Ted

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            • #7
              Re: Clubface open @ Impact

              I would ask the quesion; how far straight does the ball fly before it starts to curve? 90% straight/10% curve? 75/25? 50/50? If the ball is traveling a long ways straight before curving, you might just need a small adjustment in your ball position. Maybe just little bit more forward in your stance. GJS

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              • #8
                Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                hi guys just got back from the range ,,,,I am thinking my troubles might be spinning the hips at the start of the downswing , I slowed them down and started hitting nice little draws, no grip change , it is confusing every instructor say the downswing starts with the hip and when I keep them quiet I hit the ball like a pro. I stuck a shaft about 1.5 ft behind the ball on the target line and started hitting balls , this made me do something but I cant really put my finger on it ,,,I think it is slowing the hips .Question if you use your legs to much canit make you slice the ball . when I was hitting these draws I felt like my leg were almost still and the hips were the last thing to come through , where should your belly botton be when you srike the ball ??? help guys the season is almost here

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                • #9
                  Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                  hi
                  if playing for a draw you want little hip action more just a turn and more right hand over the left after impact. with a fade you use your hips more and have more of a slid to the left as you turn and you hold off the right hand going over the left more. if you mix the two then you have problems. do you have a one plane swing or a two plane swing.
                  cheers
                  bill

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                  • #10
                    Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                    Originally posted by dagoos View Post
                    hi guys just got back from the range ,,,,I am thinking my troubles might be spinning the hips at the start of the downswing , I slowed them down and started hitting nice little draws, no grip change , it is confusing every instructor say the downswing starts with the hip and when I keep them quiet I hit the ball like a pro. I stuck a shaft about 1.5 ft behind the ball on the target line and started hitting balls , this made me do something but I cant really put my finger on it ,,,I think it is slowing the hips .Question if you use your legs to much canit make you slice the ball . when I was hitting these draws I felt like my leg were almost still and the hips were the last thing to come through , where should your belly botton be when you srike the ball ??? help guys the season is almost here
                    Hi dagoos,

                    Definitely, if you throw your legs and legs out too much, and particularly your swing is coming too much from the inside, it will cause the club to get "stuck" behind you, and the face will be open. If not a push slice it will be a block to the right. It's the notorious Tiger "ole" miss he used to have a lot with his old swing.

                    The conventional key to hitting hooks and draws is by making sure the body stays behind the ball, and the hands and club have a chance to swing around and turn over, as Bill says.

                    You might be interested in looking at another current thread regarding "secret". It talks about the lateral shift of the lower body to initiate the downswing and the weight shift, before the rotation is able to start. Note that the lateral shift does not have to be a lunge. The rotation is also not a violent jerking open. As you felt, it's like a natural response to support the swinging of the torso, arms and club.

                    Ted

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                    • #11
                      Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                      thanks guys I am a oneplaner so Im told ,,,,,,to me there was only one true one planer "The Late great Moe Norman " he had his shaft plane running through his sterum alomost like Nancy when she lifed her club up before takeoff. And Moe only just went a tad over this address plane on his backswing . he rolls on the way back and rolls on the follow though "nice to watch" i think he could roll his hands so easy because of his one of a kind address plane to me as far as planes go every one has two the address impact plane and the top of the backswing plane which parrellel to the impact address plane ,,,the plane you allways are trying to get back to / thank for the tip about slowing the hips for a draw and speeding them up for a fade , I used to be 4 hcp 15 years ago and I am trying to get back to that now , I was a 4hcp but didnt know the value of a short game . Years ago all idid was turn and turn ,,,that was my swing God I wish I could find that feeling again . Any way guys you have put light were there was none and for that Thank you dagoos

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                      • #12
                        Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                        Originally posted by dagoos View Post
                        I really dont play much attention to my hands in the swing I just let them work by themselves, but I now feel I must make them work . Any tips on feel would be welcome as I am a feel player not a mechanical one thanks
                        That's interesting; as it indicates the different ways we can all be successful at the same game. The location of the face with respect to my hands is the only thing I pay attention to after address.
                        Contrary for me, if I DO roll or open club face going back, there is MORE of a tendency to roll the other way coming down producing a draw or eliminating a slice. Keeping the face close on your backswing is a big power robber and potential slice producer for some who may open slightly coming down. I feel that the movement of the face rotating into the ball is as important as the face being square at contact. When you slow your hips, I feel you may just be making your hands/arms more active, allowing your club face to close coming down.
                        Last edited by dagosa; 04-03-2009, 03:02 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                          Originally posted by dagosa View Post
                          That's interesting; as it indicates the different ways we can all be successful at the same game. The location of the face with respect to my hands is the only thing I pay attention to after address.
                          Contrary for me, if I DO roll or open club face going back, there is MORE of a tendency to roll the other way coming down producing a draw or eliminating a slice. Keeping the face close on your backswing is a big power robber and potential slice producer for some who may open slightly coming down. I feel that the movement of the face rotating into the ball is as important as the face being square at contact. When you slow your hips, I feel you may just be making your hands/arms more active, allowing your club face to close coming down.

                          hi Dagosa
                          i agree with what you say about rolling the club face open on the back swing to help make sure you hit a draw and make sure your right hand rolls over your left after impact. i would also say your right in holding the club face shut on the back swing so it helps when hitting fade.
                          the set up for a draw and a fade are very diffrent and with a draw you swing more around yourself with little body movement an its more like swinging in a barrel! and with a fade there is more body movement and hips sway as you come in more from the inside and need the hips in front of the hands more.
                          the parts of the swing don't mix so you have to make your mind up the type of shot you want and then set up with that style of swing.
                          is like the one plane and two plane swings are diffrent and don't mix. you have to ply one or the other and set up for that style.
                          if playing a fade then your will more likely have a strong grip but with a draw you will have more a neutral or weak grip.
                          getting the right set up is very important for the type of shot you want to hit and understanding how to set up and how NOT to set up is so important in grooving a good swing.
                          cheers
                          Bill

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                          • #14
                            Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                            Originally posted by bill reed View Post
                            hi Dagosa
                            i agree with what you say about rolling the club face open on the back swing to help make sure you hit a draw and make sure your right hand rolls over your left after impact. i would also say your right in holding the club face shut on the back swing so it helps when hitting fade.
                            the set up for a draw and a fade are very diffrent and with a draw you swing more around yourself with little body movement an its more like swinging in a barrel! and with a fade there is more body movement and hips sway as you come in more from the inside and need the hips in front of the hands more.
                            the parts of the swing don't mix so you have to make your mind up the type of shot you want and then set up with that style of swing.
                            is like the one plane and two plane swings are diffrent and don't mix. you have to ply one or the other and set up for that style.
                            if playing a fade then your will more likely have a strong grip but with a draw you will have more a neutral or weak grip.
                            getting the right set up is very important for the type of shot you want to hit and understanding how to set up and how NOT to set up is so important in grooving a good swing.
                            cheers
                            Bill
                            I feel the same way...I'd rather alter a set up (open face to target and square body to flight line) and then just use the same swing. I'm just not good enough to try to manipulate the club other than the going with what I know works...if just a little.
                            Be good at it...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Clubface open @ Impact

                              Two things to consider are making sure you are not loosing connections between your arms and body and keep your head from sliding forward as you bump to the front and begin your turn. This should close the clubface for you.

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