Right elbow to body

[Shamed04]

Re: Right elbow to body

Well my main misses are a pull or a fade. Of course this means I have a slight out to in but cant for the love of god seem to get this fixed. My main ball flight seems to be extremely high. My 7i seems to go as high as others pw or 9i and of course lacks distance. Im sure this is because the club is getting in front of my hands, but again cannot seem to find a solution to my problem.
Any more advice is welcomed
Thanks

[Shankless]

Re: Right elbow to body

On the downswing try keeping your back shoulder going down not around.

[Shamed04]

Re: Right elbow to body

working it under my chin. Cant this lead to other problems?

[BrianW]

Re: Right elbow to body

Pulls and Fades are opposite directions which means the clubface is very inconsistent at impact and may not be caused by an out to in swing path. Can you confirm the problem is in fact "Pulls and Fades"?

[Shamed04]

Re: Right elbow to body

I disagree.
A pull would result in an out to in path with a closed clubface

a fade would result in an out to in path with either a square to target clubface or open (slice)

Is my thinking incorrect. If so how?

[BrianW]

Re: Right elbow to body

Shamed,

I think this depends on your ball flight. For example, if your misses are hooks, then this right elbow to the side drill is not for you. This drill was absolute poison for me and I am still fighting it years later. Additionally, I am not a fan of the connected feeling. Your arms should be free to swing as they need to as a result of your body pivot.

Good luck.

IMO disconnected arms means they can swing independent of the torso and shoulders which is a major cause of poor shot direction and a power leak.

The drill to keep the upper arms connected and maintaining the 'shoulder arms triangle' is a very good one and incorporated in practice by a number of top tour players such as Vijay Singh and Padraig Harrington.

[jbrunk]

Re: Right elbow to body

IMO disconnected arms means they can swing independent of the torso and shoulders which is a major cause of poor shot direction and a power leak.

The drill to keep the upper arms connected and maintaining the 'shoulder arms triangle' is a very good one and incorporated in practice by a number of top tour players such as Vijay Singh and Padraig Harrington.

The pivot should drive the arms IMO and I think VJ does this clearly (although I know he uses the headcover drill). Arms swinging as a result of pivot motion is not a power leak, if anything it increases lag. This is part of the whole kinetic chain snap where, at impact, the hips and torso slow and the arms and hands fly on by.

[BrianW]

Re: Right elbow to body

The pivot should drive the arms IMO and I think VJ does this clearly (although I know he uses the headcover drill). Arms swinging as a result of pivot motion is not a power leak, if anything it increases lag. This is part of the whole kinetic chain snap where, at impact, the hips and torso slow and the arms and hands fly on by.

As I mentioned the arms and chest triangle needs to be maintained to prevent hooks and slices. When the body outraces the arms the clubface will become open and slice, when the arms outrace the torso the clubface will tend to be closed and create hooks, that is unless the person has exceptionally good timing.

Power will be leaked if the core rotation is not moving in a connected manner with the arms and release of the clubface by the supination of the forearms and wrists through impact.

[rotator]

Re: Right elbow to body

I disagree.
A pull would result in an out to in path with a closed clubface

a fade would result in an out to in path with either a square to target clubface or open (slice)

Is my thinking incorrect. If so how?

Hi Shamed,

I agree with you on this. There might be other mitigating factors, such as manipulation of the face angles etc, but this is basically right. This goes back to the Flight Laws I posted before in another thread, which I hope you saw.

Now, regarding the outside to inside path, take a look at the video I posted in the "driver woes" thread. It illustrates what I gave as a drill in my earlier post in this thread. Th idea of tracing the ball target line will allow you to see what your swing should look/feel like to be on plane and not OTT.

Ted

[jambalaya]

Re: Right elbow to body

Try a little flatter swing plane. When I finally achieved the feeling of connection by keeping my right arm pinned and in front of my body, I immediately started experiencing pulls which got progressively worse. While watching the Haney Project I observed Hank Haney grab Charles Barkley's club, bring it back in a simulated backswing and when about half to three-quarters back he flattened the club into a shallower plane for the downswing as he brought it to the top. It helped Charles, at least for that show, and I said Hmmm. I went to the range, tried it, and had immediate postive results. Far less pulls and fat shots and a higher trajectory on all clubs. My only problem is push fades with the driver which I am working out. This won't work if you bring the club inside too soon. Keep the clubhead in front of your hands going back.

[rotator]

Re: Right elbow to body

Hi jambayaya,

The reason Haney did that with Barkley is exactly what the video shows. Barkley's grip end was pointing to his toeline with his original swing before Haney took over. Haney is trying to get Barkley feel the other extreme, so the grip points outside the ball/target line, in order that the plane will eventually come in between and correct.

My friend has the same problem, he merely lifts his arms so his hands are at his ears. I've been trying to make his swing more of a turn with his shoulders and core. The problem is that like Barkley, he's ingrained this lifting of the arms by playing like that for years. He also hit a lot of practice balls over the years also. A lot of imperfect golf makes permanent, not perfect.

Ted

[rotator]

Re: Right elbow to body

Hi,

Further to the swing plane video I posted in the thread "Driver woes", this is one I may not have posted before, but have had in my bookmarks.

It's very well presented. Food for thought as a factor concerning a variety of golf problems.

Ted

[Shankless]

Re: Right elbow to body

Unable to view video?? Can you post a link please.

[jbrunk]

Re: Right elbow to body

If you guys think there is a lick of teaching going on in 'The Haney Project', let me know I have some land I need to sell ya.

[rotator]

Re: Right elbow to body

Hi Shankless,

That is strange. Anyways, I found by accident that if you click a couple of times on the you tube logo at the top left of the screen when the "disabled message comes on, the video will show.

Ted