video of my golf swing

[Mike420]

Re: video of my golf swing

Clearing the hips is all good mate. But thrusting them forward isn't clearing them. Clearing them is turning them and shifting them left.

Compare the screenshot I posted of you above to my avatar.

You can straighten your posture but keep your head position relatively stable by crunching your right side i.e. the gap between right hip and right shoulder gets smaller.

I see, that avatar is what I was trying to achieve. However taking some practice swings just now I can see that i'm thrusting them foward. I think the the gap getting smaller bit would explain why I can still hit the ball and not top every shot. I'm going to try turning through the shot instead of lunging foward.

[Neil18]

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I see, that avatar is what I was trying to achieve. However taking some practice swings just now I can see that i'm thrusting them foward. I think the the gap getting smaller bit would explain why I can still hit the ball and not top every shot. I'm going to try turning through the shot instead of lunging foward.

I'm presuming now that you can see the relationship between keeping your hips roughly on the same latitude (for want of a better phrase!) thoughout the swing.

At impact, if your hips are still further away from the ball than your head, your spine angle is still tilted toward the ball, and you have room in which to swing your hands through.

At first, it may feel like you are moving away from the ball in the downswing when you change it. You are clearly good at keeping your head in position (even with all the other stuf going on at the moment!) so from the top, use Ben Hogans image of a strong piece of elastic attached to the outside of your left hip which is in turn attached to a wall behind you. From the top the elastic will pull your left hip backwards. Your right hip shouldn't feel like it's moving forward immediately.

At the moment, you get to the top of your swing then leave your left hip where it is and rotate your right hip around it in the downswing, hence it looks like you stand up.

[Mike420]

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I do understand the relationship now and I really like the hogan image. Moving my hips as I did in the video I can see exactly how my body lifts up and the difference with that and moving my left hip back. Thanks I think it's been really constructive discussing the swing and I now have a clear idea of what needs to happen.

[BrianW]

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Really????!!!!!!!

Yes Really!!!!!!!!

If you hold a cursor on his head you will see that it does not raise up. He may be thrusting his hips forward but I cannot see that with an end on view. Look at his finish, he still has his spine tilted to the right.

If you look at two plane swings from this view the head normally remains a stable height but the right shoulder works down and under, the hips push forward and the spine tilt now falls forwards a little which gives the appearance/illusion of straightening up, from an end on view. Look at these two pictures of Phil Mickelson: 1st address, 2nd impact, you will see the same.

[Mike420]

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[BrianW]

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Yes, your head has hardly moved and if you draw a plane line from your shoulders to the ball you will see that at impact you are closer to that line, just like Phil.

Anyhow, in your second video you are casting and coming outside in your downswing. You need to drop the club and your right shoulder and hold your wrist hinge longer so that you can come into the ball more from the inside.

[Mike420]

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Yes, your head has hardly moved and if you draw a plane line from your shoulders to the ball you will see that at impact you are closer to that line, just like Phil.

Anyhow, in your second video you are casting and coming outside in your downswing. You need to drop the club and your right shoulder and hold your wrist hinge longer so that you can come into the ball more from the inside.

Yeah, I had problems with coming too much inside out so i'm conscious of not coming too in to out, but I think that was caused by leaving my weight on my back foot. Now i've gone completely the other way, but yes i'll definitely try to let that club drop inside instead of cast my hands over the top thanks .

[Mike420]

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I've been working on moving my hip left and back, it seems to be working in keeping my spine angle steady. Still having problems with the plane of my swing, but it's a start...

[Neil18]

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Another vid would be good to comment on plane, but it looks like a bit of prgress to me!

[Mike420]

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Another vid would be good to comment on plane, but it looks like a bit of prgress to me!

Well it's similar to the previous one. I was rolling my wrists instead of cocking them up. It's really quite annoying. I was consciously trying to cock them. I guess my bad habit is pretty ingrained. I'll be sure to post a video when i've fixed this problem. However i'm pleased to see i'm not bolt upright lol.

[Neil18]

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A lot of peeps roll the wrists. I include myself up until recently in that.

A thought that helped me is to stand the club up halfway through the backswing. It's closely related to the early wrist break.

Of course, you won't stand the club vertical unless you do it to rediculous extremes, but if you can get the butt of the club pointing inside the ball-target line early in the backswing, it'll make solid contact easier as there's less work to do on the downswing to square the clubface. You won't be laid off either. That'll remove the need to flip the wrists to square it coming down. Add to that the fact that your body won't need to compensate much to try and help get the club on plane and square and it should help your spine angle further!

That's my theory anyhoo!

[Mike420]

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Thanks that sounds like a useful thought I will try. When I swing in the mirror I'm not layed off and my clubface isn't as closed, it's when I go down the range and swing full that I revert to a flat swing past half way. I like the idea of getting the butt of the club on the inside of the ball line target. I'll give that a go next time i'm on the range which might be later today . They must love me down there. £5 for 50 balls i'll need to take a loan out soon...

[Neil18]

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Blimey that's weeeeeeeeeeell steep!

A word of caution. When you try what I've said and look in the mirror at the top of your backswing, you should be seeing the clubface's leading edge pointing more toward the sky than the angle of your left forearm, if you see what I mean. Not by much, but noticeable.

95% of people will tell you this is closed/too strong a grip. It ain't. I'm not talking about the clubface pointing straight up at the sky. But at worst it should match your forearm angle. If the toe hangs down on an angle steeper than your left forearm, the clubface is too open. Do it right and you'll be hooking it before you know it!

Time to go to the cash-point for you, me thinks!

[kbp]

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Best explanation/theory of the transition I’ve seen recently.

http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyl...ransition.html

Look at the back side slo mo video of Tiger in the black vest and orange sleeved shirt. THAT’S a transition. Keys....he’s "backing" into the downswing while the club is still going to the top. This unweights the back foot AND gets the hips in front of the ball. Secondly, after the "backing" when he starts the downswing, notice how his the right side of his mid section is shortening. The right side of his back is contracting and arching (look at his right butt cheek)and his right side is crunching. This is how you advance the hips without jutting out to the ball line.

Consider this against the OTT move. OTT is a contraction of the front ab muscles at the top. Look at Tiger. He has contraction of the back and side muscles at the top. The key is to unweight the back foot and shorten the right side and back. You cannot "push off the back foot" or "just turn". You will slide and jut out to the ball line.
Here’s the second part. Note that they call the "backing" the "Fall In" or "Closed Hip Bump".

http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyl...on-part-2.html


Also check out this one about the unweighting of the back foot versus the push off.

http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyl...er-drives.html

[Neil18]

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Can I just add for the benefit of the OP that KBP and my methods don't mix. There aren't major differences, but there are differences that mean the two aren't compatible. In no way at all am I saying don't do one or do do the other. Just don't mix 'em!

Try both and see!

Hope it goes well.