confused by the wrists!

[ozzyollie]

Hi everone,

I keep reading threads about wrolling the wrists and then more threads about wrist break.

I currently try to break the wrists early (like the 4MM suggests) but should I be rolling the wrists too? Or is it one or the other? If they are seperate moves, which is the best option for a high handicapper? (Im 24 HC).

Thanks

[Mike420]

Re: confused by the wrists!

I think (correct me if i'm wrong someone) that with the 4MM you don't roll your wrists. It's a backwards wrist break.

In a conventional takeaway you'd be rolling you wrists or at least thats what I do.

I can't tell you which ones best, however the 4MM moves does seem a good option if the results are as advertised. It seems to help set you at the top easily whereas before your takeaway may have been too inside or outside the plane. It may also help you to maintain your wrist cock through the swing so that you don't release too early which is key to crisp ball striking. I think it's a similar thing to stack and tilt in the respect that it's all about setting things early on so you don't need to worry about them in your swing. Stack and tilt - your weight, 4MM - the wrist cock.

[Neil18]

Re: confused by the wrists!

A touchy subject this. As mentioned above, the early wrist break is designed for you to set them and leave them until they naturally uncock through and after impact.

Rolling ones wrists rolls the clubhead open and shut. IMO it's more dificult to consistently time, causes issue with getting the club on plane and requires continuous practice to keep in line.

Early wrist cock and the late hit is the way to go, for me. Keeps the clubface more square to the ball for much longer and you don't need to do anything with your srists to hit it solid. See Sam Snead and Mac O'Grady for fine examples of great ball-striking with this type of method.

[keiko]

Re: confused by the wrists!

Whether one hinges early or late, that is backswing not through swing.
The left wrist cocks while the right wrist hinges on backswing.
Coming into impact, the arms are loose which allow the wrists to roll naturally.
Anyone who consciously manipulates the wrists is asking for problems

[BrianW]

Re: confused by the wrists!

With the 4 MM system the wrist beak takes place at the beginning of the back swing and is held as long as possible, the systems allows the natural inertia (Read COAM) to release them through impact.

I use a rotary or 1 plane type swing and find this video from Jeff Ritter a good reminder of wrist action:

[GoNavy]

Re: confused by the wrists!

Hi everone,

I keep reading threads about wrolling the wrists and then more threads about wrist break.

I currently try to break the wrists early (like the 4MM suggests) but should I be rolling the wrists too? Or is it one or the other? If they are seperate moves, which is the best option for a high handicapper? (Im 24 HC).

Thanks

Here is a drill to give you a feel. Get into your address position, now keeping your left arm fairly straight (not ridged) pick the club up over your right shoulder until the club is parallel to the ground (if your right handed) allowing the right arm to bend to 90 degrees, do this without turning your body. You will notice this can done without rolling the wrist, or any other strange manipulations you hear about during an actual swing. Too do this your left wrist with rotate up, as if the thumb were to point up, moving as if you were shaking hands, it doesn't move sideways or roll, the right wrist moves brakes back, as if you were waving someone. Your arm, wrist, and hands operate exactly the same way during the swing, all your adding is the body turning. In fact once you get to the top, club over your right shoulder, you could simple turn 90 to your target, with you back facing the target, and this would be the perfect backswing position. It is no more complicated then that....

[Mox]

Re: confused by the wrists!

Hi everone,

I keep reading threads about wrolling the wrists and then more threads about wrist break.

I currently try to break the wrists early (like the 4MM suggests) but should I be rolling the wrists too? Or is it one or the other? If they are seperate moves, which is the best option for a high handicapper? (Im 24 HC).

Thanks

Our very own GregJWillis' right hand drill has helped me enormously when it comes to understanding how the wrists work.

http://mysite.verizon.net/gregjwillis/LESSON1.htm

[kbp]

Re: confused by the wrists!

Here is a drill to give you a feel. Get into your address position, now keeping your left arm fairly straight (not ridged) pick the club up over your right shoulder until the club is parallel to the ground (if your right handed) allowing the right arm to bend to 90 degrees, do this without turning your body. You will notice this can done without rolling the wrist, or any other strange manipulations you hear about during an actual swing. Too do this your left wrist with rotate up, as if the thumb were to point up, moving as if you were shaking hands, it doesn't move sideways or roll, the right wrist moves brakes back, as if you were waving someone. Your arm, wrist, and hands operate exactly the same way during the swing, all your adding is the body turning. In fact once you get to the top, club over your right shoulder, you could simple turn 90 to your target, with you back facing the target, and this would be the perfect backswing position. It is no more complicated then that....

Excellent illustration. When the arms are in front of the chest, the club face is perpendicular to the chest. Same at the top. As Navy says, lift the club over the back shoulder. Turn your back to the target. No manipulation required. Do the same thing in one integrated motion and you have a backswing.

To the OP, "rolling" or "fanning" appears when the arms lag or lead the center of the chest, either intentionally or unintentionally. Try it. Make a swing without any shoulder turn. The club fans open and rolls closed. A timing action. IMO, swings today are trying to reduce fanning and rolling and increase accuracy by keeping the arms more in front of the chest during the swing and squaring the club more with the body versus the roll. Basically, more focus on allowing a full body turn both ways and eliminating any blocks or sticking points in the rotation.