Should I try the one-plane-swing?

[ozzyollie]

OTT is starting to really, really frustrate me and the harder I try to slow my swing or focus on the first move in the downswing, the worse it gets. A friend has suggested I try the one-plane golfswing as he read on a golf website "If you are aggressive and strong in the chest, abdominals, back and shoulders, the one-plane swing will suit you better."

Anyone agree / disagree and would love to hear anyone who has changed from a two plane to a one-plane swing and if so has it worked for them?

(Im a frustrated 26 handicapper)!!

[LowPost42]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Ozzie, I've been a natural one planer all my life.

I still come over the top.

The issue for me is intent - with the longer clubs (in a conventional set) if I don't focus on hitting the inside quarter of the ball, it's an OTT move and an ugly ball flight.

With the shorter clubs, it's not so much an issue, because I'm coming down so steep already.

But IMO, OTT is a desire to hit with the hands, rather than turn the body to swing the club.

Find out if there's a swing mechanic thing causing you to come OTT. For me, the longer clubs have me more upright. This presents more 'Molson muscle' to the path of my arms. If I lift my arms at all (2 plane move) then I can't get them back to where they need to be, and I have no choice but to either go OTT or stand up out of my swing and get handcuffed into a weak, open faced shot.

[bdbl]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

OTT is starting to really, really frustrate me and the harder I try to slow my swing or focus on the first move in the downswing, the worse it gets. A friend has suggested I try the one-plane golfswing as he read on a golf website "If you are aggressive and strong in the chest, abdominals, back and shoulders, the one-plane swing will suit you better."

Anyone agree / disagree and would love to hear anyone who has changed from a two plane to a one-plane swing and if so has it worked for them?

(Im a frustrated 26 handicapper)!!

Slightly tongue in cheek I'd suggest that you take what you see on golf websites with a huge pinch of salt.

That said here's my pennyworth

Forget about swinging slowly; it causes more problems - sometimes including an OTT move - than it solves. Swing smoothly yes, but remember that slow and smooth aren't the same thing - as Ernie's 120 mph big easy swing shows!

Promise yourself that you will not open a golf magazine, read a "My way" book or visit any golf website (other than this one ) for at least 6 months and then forget about one-plane, two-pane, stack and tilt, x-factor, gin and tonic and all the rest of the "guru" peddled snake oil out there. You already know how to deliver the club to the ball so get rid off all the clutter that is stopping you doing it.

[BrianW]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

OK, here's my take.

I changed to a one plane swing some time ago and find it an easy to maintain swing that works well for me. A one plane swing does make it more difficult to swing OTT as the club is taken back and down on a similar swing path, you must stay more stacked and centered and use the rotation of the torso around this stable spine angle. The only way to make an OTT swing with a one plane is to raise your spine angle.

The swing is also suited to people with a broad chest and muscular upper body.

Think of the mechanical golf ball testing machine 'Iron Byron' It rotates around a stable axis and cannot swing OTT.

http://www.leaderboard.com/GLOSSARY_IRONBYRON

[ozzyollie]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

OK, here's my take.

I changed to a one plane swing some time ago and find it an easy to maintain swing that works well for me. A one plane swing does make it more difficult to swing OTT as the club is taken back and down on a similar swing path, you must stay more stacked and centered and use the rotation of the torso around this stable spine angle. The only way to make an OTT swing with a one plane is to raise your spine angle.

The swing is also suited to people with a broad chest and muscular upper body.

Think of the mechanical golf ball testing machine 'Iron Byron' It rotates around a stable axis and cannot swing OTT.

http://www.leaderboard.com/GLOSSARY_IRONBYRON

Thanks Brian, I just want to develop a repeatable swing and I think the one-plane will help me achieve that, off to the rane again I guess!

[dant]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Does a one plane swing require bending forward a little more, and a two plane swing more upright.
Thanks
Dant

[BrianW]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Does a one plane swing require bending forward a little more, and a two plane swing more upright.
Thanks
Dant

Absolutely. The one plane swing uses your shoulder plane at the top so you need to lower it by leaning further forward.

[bill reed]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

hi
i changed from a two plane to a one plae when i changed clubs a few years ago.
i always had a two swing plane but when i got a set of Orange code Ping zings they were 2% flat and i was going to get them changed to Black code but found i was playing better with the Orage code.
i had them checked with Ping and had a fitting and was told my swing had changed to a flatter one plane swing.
i had not tried to change my swing but setting up with the flatter shafted clubs put me in a one plane set up and i was swing on a opne plane without knowing it.
i felt i was swinging better and smoother so i still have a one plane swing and my orange code clubs.

Dant:- i found the having the clubs flatter made me bend over more and that had my arm swing in line with my shoulders.
it all happened due to the change in clubs and not me trying to change anything.
if you want to change to a flatter one plane swing then see a fitter and check that your clubs still suit your new swing.
cheers
Bill

[dant]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

hi
i changed from a two plane to a one plae when i changed clubs a few years ago.
i always had a two swing plane but when i got a set of Orange code Ping zings they were 2% flat and i was going to get them changed to Black code but found i was playing better with the Orage code.
i had them checked with Ping and had a fitting and was told my swing had changed to a flatter one plane swing.
i had not tried to change my swing but setting up with the flatter shafted clubs put me in a one plane set up and i was swing on a opne plane without knowing it.
i felt i was swinging better and smoother so i still have a one plane swing and my orange code clubs.

Dant:- i found the having the clubs flatter made me bend over more and that had my arm swing in line with my shoulders.
it all happened due to the change in clubs and not me trying to change anything.
if you want to change to a flatter one plane swing then see a fitter and check that your clubs still suit your new swing.
cheers
Bill

Bill
I have the TM Burner plus irons and was fitted for 3 degrees upright. So I assume what you are saying is that the lie that I have with my irons would not work with a one plane swing?

[bill reed]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

hi Dant

i would think with clubs 3% upright then you would stand taller to the ball and it would be harder to swing with a flatter plane. what hight are you 6"2 or above?
maybe lowpost or Ted would be better to answer this as they know much more than me about club fitting.
i did get advice from lowpost when i first got my 2% flatter clubs and that is why i went and saw my local ping fitter as lowpost is to far away from me but what the ping guy said wass much what lowpost had told me.
cheers
Bill

[dant]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

hi Dant

i would think with clubs 3% upright then you would stand taller to the ball and it would be harder to swing with a flatter plane. what hight are you 6"2 or above?
maybe lowpost or Ted would be better to answer this as they know much more than me about club fitting.
i did get advice from lowpost when i first got my 2% flatter clubs and that is why i went and saw my local ping fitter as lowpost is to far away from me but what the ping guy said wass much what lowpost had told me.
cheers
Bill

Bill
The funny thing is the person who fitted ( at Edwin Watts) me took my arm measurments and said I need an additional 1/2 inch. And if I am not mistaken my clubs are an 1/2 inch longer to start. So we are looking at 1 inch total from standard clubs. I am 54 and in my earlier days (way back when) I was a powerlifter. I use to 6' but it seems I shrunk to 5' 11". I have a broad chest and shoulders big arms etc, which I would think a one plane swing would be best. I was hoping to get away with trying the one plane swing without having to refit my clubs, is that possible.
dant

[dant]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Bill
One more thing. Being that my arms are long the fitter though that adding an additional 1/2" would help my swing because I was bend over to much
Dant

[bill reed]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

hi Dant
my thinking on the one plane swing is you have to bend at the waist more so your arms get on plnae with the shoulders. this means the hands are more under the eyes where before in my two plane swing the hands were under my chin.
again i can only talk fromn my own experance and the things that changed in my swing.
with the flatter clubs the shaft poined back lower so i had to bend more but my hand moved away from my body a bit more too.i still have my old clubs and just swaping say a 6 iron you feel the diffrence right away.
maybe you should try and pick up a cheep 6 iron that has a standard lie and see if that flattens your swing. i would think you would have to bend more at the waist.
i would think the one plane swing would suit you with having a big chest and big arms.
i'm 5"9 and big chested and have big arms and forearms and use to lift weights when younger. i'm now 56 but still have an 18 inch neck.
i found the change to a flatter swing to be instant and was playing with my one plane swing without going out and working on it.
as for the right clubs for you swing! i just don't know enought about club fitting to help you but think it might be and idea to talk it over with your club fitter (Edwin Watts) as he will know your swing and what works for you. mabe swinging on a flatter one plane will requre the lie to be changed to help your swing.
Cheers
Bill

[rotator]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Hi dant,

Regarding what Bill and others have said, take a look at this google page. Mike Adams has long been a proponent that certain body types should gravitate to a certain swing style. He has allied himself with Dr Jim Suttie and T J Tomasi in this teaching. You should be able to glean the principles of this teaching in some of the links on the google page.

http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Regarding the fitting of clubs, I would find an old golf club from an obsolete set you may have in your garage or one you can pick up for small change in a bargain barrel. Actually, there are dozens of these in any Thrift store for about a dollar each club. I would have that bent to experiment for feel with the one plane swing, before changing your current set or purchasing new equipment. The bending for lie is a small price to pay. I believe GolfSmith charges about $5.00. The old Spaldings, Wilsons, MacGregor Golden Bears, etc., which were the old chrome plated carbon steel iron clubs we used to use, are easy to bend.. You could probably bend the club yourself, as you are not particularly concerned if the lofts and alignment are compromised, as you only want to feel if the one plane swing feels better with the flatter lie.

Ted

[BrianW]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Dant,

Here is a link that explains how different body types tend to suit certain swing styles:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=i...page&q=&f=true

I think I am a bit like you, I have a strong muscular upper body and arms and worked on strength training for many years. You should be able to experement a one plane swing using your existing clubs for now.

Take a look at the videos by Jeff Ritter on YouTube to start with.