Should I try the one-plane-swing?

[kbp]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Good. We shouldn't have any problems then.

[Dewdman42]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Ok, i just watched The Plane Truth video and then went to the range and tuned up some things. I have clearly been using bits and piece of both a one plane and two plane swing for years. Probably closer to two plane, but flatter then Hardy was showing in his video. Jim Hardy really clarified a lot of stuff for me.

By the end of my bucket of balls, I was hitting some mighty fine shots with all of my irons using the one plane swing. 10 yards farther and more accurate, when I remembered to do everything right. I am definitely going to master that and own it. My only complaint is that my lower back hurt more after about 200 balls from leaning further forward a lot. In a real game we'd be walking more than leaning. I'm also learning to address the ball leaned a little less and then make a bit of a forward/down move to begin the swing.

My driver....another story. Trying the one plane swing on my driver felt awkward and lacked club head speed. Lost 50-80 yards on it and it did not fly straighter. Will work on that some more, but does anyone have any suggestions? For one thing I found it completely awkward to get the shaft of my club parallel to the target line at the top of my backswing. Couldn't get there. My shoulders are more than 90 degrees turned away from the ball.

After watching that video I'm convinced that my current driver form is a hybrid of one and two plane swings, probably closer to two plane...and frankly I'm not comfortable changing it to the way hardy says a two plane swing should be either. I want to try to be a one planer. But man, I lost a lot of club head speed this way.

For the irons I don't mind losing the club head speed. The fact that I'm hitting the ball cleaner and coming down on it more, getting better trajectory and it is giving me 10 more yards. I care a lot more about accuracy. But the driving has to work too or else I'll be avoiding one plane on that one.

[dagosa]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

OTT is starting to really, really frustrate me and the harder I try to slow my swing or focus on the first move in the downswing, the worse it gets. A friend has suggested I try the one-plane golfswing as he read on a golf website "If you are aggressive and strong in the chest, abdominals, back and shoulders, the one-plane swing will suit you better."

Anyone agree / disagree and would love to hear anyone who has changed from a two plane to a one-plane swing and if so has it worked for them?

(Im a frustrated 26 handicapper)!!

Am late in the discussion but..two plane/one plane, regardless, the following is a must.

Please consider this previous post. It's a good set of considerations for beginners trying to find their way through the "swing jungle". IT WORKS provided your set up is good. Without some lag at impact so you swing down on ball, you will be easily discouraged with ANY swing as that's the way your club was designed. Without this idea to wrap your brain around, good hits will always be by mistake and never by intent. You will NEVER have a consistent swing without this intent.....lag is key and you don't really have to "try to do it" if you consider the following. I do it, and it works !!!!! Here are parts from the post taken from an article. Try and stay with this and your impact to follow through will evolve into "professional grade" over time regardless of your swing. The physics are sound around this advice.


Clubhead Lag -- the clubhead lagging behind the hands through impact -- is the most important fundamental in the golf swing.

All PGA Tour players use Lag to compress the ball while poor players don't.



Learn how to FEEL, CREATE and SUSTAIN the lag. Discover the benefits of the Flat Left Wrist, shaft loading and educated hands and cut your scores in half!



Pressure points in your hands you may have played the game for a long time and never heard of them…

If so, I urge you to read this!!!

"Pressure points could improve your game forever and simplify a lot of things in your swing by focusing your mind on feel rather than technique. As a bonus, once you learn to rely on your pressure points, the game of Golf becomes more of a sensation than a mechanical cheklist!


But for the moment, think about this for a second: In order to move something like a shopping cart you need to push against it with your hands (actually, you could also pull it, but for simplicity stakes, let’s stick to pushing…).
While you push the cart, you feel a pressure in the point(s) of contact of your hand(s) against the handle of the cart: These are pressure points.

In the Golf swing there are 4 distinct pressure points (more on that in another article) but again, for simplicity stakes, we will focus on the easiest and more convenient to feel: the meaty part of your index (the "trigger finger") of your trailing hand where it touches the club. Your trigger finger "meaty part" from second knuckle to hand MUST run parallel to the shaft and not under it forming a tight V with the thumb which angles slightly across shaft.

Here is the trick: Are you able to perform a Golf stroke while feeling pressure in this index from start down to both arms straight to the end of the follow-through and through to the finish)???

Even better: if you can feel this pressure not decreasing (but relentless pressure), I bet my shirt you must be a 1 digit handicap as you must have lag in your swing with all the good things that come with it!

Poor players have almost no pressure feel at all because they are "running after the club", exactly as you would run after your cart after having pushed it violently: the pressure against the handle was very strong the moment you pushed hard but disappeared as the cart when away from you (you can’t push something faster you can run!).

A player who casts the club (club head throwaway) does exactly that: he feels a lot of pressure in the start of the downswing (by accelerating the club very hard and convulsively). Such a sudden accelartion thows the club away with no chance to catch it up before impact.
Needless to say, that player feels no pressure at all in the index finger when the club head arrives at the ball.

The correct way to do it is to push your cart evenly with no over-acceleration.

The correct feel is a pressure in the trigger finger that is even and present from start-down to follow-through. Light or heavy pressure doesn’t matter. The important thing is that it must be there and steady.

A Tour Player’s feels exactly that. But imagine he is able to put and keep (most important!) a LOT of pressure in the trigger finger: harder to sustain during the swing but highly rewarding in terms of ball compression/distance/control.

Sounds easy to practice? Next time you go to the range, spend a bucket of ball focusing on that pressure. Start with half swings as it is easy to feel with shorter backswings.

Oh, by the way: This is how Lag feels; it’s a pressure in your hands!!! - The more unrelentless pressure you feel, the more Lag you have!

And if you are a Golf nut like us, look for the feel the next time you push your cart in the shopping mall!"

[dant]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Am late in the discussion but..two plane/one plane, regardless, the following is a must.

Please consider this previous post. It's a good set of considerations for beginners trying to find their way through the "swing jungle". IT WORKS provided your set up is good. Without some lag at impact so you swing down on ball, you will be easily discouraged with ANY swing as that's the way your club was designed. Without this idea to wrap your brain around, good hits will always be by mistake and never by intent. You will NEVER have a consistent swing without this intent.....lag is key and you don't really have to "try to do it" if you consider the following. I do it, and it works !!!!! Here are parts from the post taken from an article. Try and stay with this and your impact to follow through will evolve into "professional grade" over time regardless of your swing. The physics are sound around this advice.


Clubhead Lag -- the clubhead lagging behind the hands through impact -- is the most important fundamental in the golf swing.

All PGA Tour players use Lag to compress the ball while poor players don't.



Learn how to FEEL, CREATE and SUSTAIN the lag. Discover the benefits of the Flat Left Wrist, shaft loading and educated hands and cut your scores in half!



Pressure points in your hands you may have played the game for a long time and never heard of them…

If so, I urge you to read this!!!

"Pressure points could improve your game forever and simplify a lot of things in your swing by focusing your mind on feel rather than technique. As a bonus, once you learn to rely on your pressure points, the game of Golf becomes more of a sensation than a mechanical cheklist!


But for the moment, think about this for a second: In order to move something like a shopping cart you need to push against it with your hands (actually, you could also pull it, but for simplicity stakes, let’s stick to pushing…).
While you push the cart, you feel a pressure in the point(s) of contact of your hand(s) against the handle of the cart: These are pressure points.

In the Golf swing there are 4 distinct pressure points (more on that in another article) but again, for simplicity stakes, we will focus on the easiest and more convenient to feel: the meaty part of your index (the "trigger finger") of your trailing hand where it touches the club. Your trigger finger "meaty part" from second knuckle to hand MUST run parallel to the shaft and not under it forming a tight V with the thumb which angles slightly across shaft.

Here is the trick: Are you able to perform a Golf stroke while feeling pressure in this index from start down to both arms straight to the end of the follow-through and through to the finish)???

Even better: if you can feel this pressure not decreasing (but relentless pressure), I bet my shirt you must be a 1 digit handicap as you must have lag in your swing with all the good things that come with it!

Poor players have almost no pressure feel at all because they are "running after the club", exactly as you would run after your cart after having pushed it violently: the pressure against the handle was very strong the moment you pushed hard but disappeared as the cart when away from you (you can’t push something faster you can run!).

A player who casts the club (club head throwaway) does exactly that: he feels a lot of pressure in the start of the downswing (by accelerating the club very hard and convulsively). Such a sudden accelartion thows the club away with no chance to catch it up before impact.
Needless to say, that player feels no pressure at all in the index finger when the club head arrives at the ball.

The correct way to do it is to push your cart evenly with no over-acceleration.

The correct feel is a pressure in the trigger finger that is even and present from start-down to follow-through. Light or heavy pressure doesn’t matter. The important thing is that it must be there and steady.

A Tour Player’s feels exactly that. But imagine he is able to put and keep (most important!) a LOT of pressure in the trigger finger: harder to sustain during the swing but highly rewarding in terms of ball compression/distance/control.

Sounds easy to practice? Next time you go to the range, spend a bucket of ball focusing on that pressure. Start with half swings as it is easy to feel with shorter backswings.

Oh, by the way: This is how Lag feels; it’s a pressure in your hands!!! - The more unrelentless pressure you feel, the more Lag you have!

And if you are a Golf nut like us, look for the feel the next time you push your cart in the shopping mall!"

dagosa
Are you saying that my index finger on my right hand runs down the shaft like when I use my putter. And this helps create lag.
Go figure
Dant

[dagosa]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

dagosa
Are you saying that my index finger on my right hand runs down the shaft like when I use my putter. And this helps create lag.
Go figure
Dant

Not entirely.... http://www.markimmelman.com/tips.asp
See the picture of that part of the right hand that assumes a trigger finger type grip with part of the index finger running parallel to the back of the shaft. That's where the pressure point is felt during the swing next to the back of the shaft. Other points are the last three fingers of the left hand, arm across chest and the palm of right applying pressure to the left thumb base which keeps the left wrist flat.

Here's an article.. http://www.golflagtips.com/focus-on-...s-to-feel-lag/

also

[bphillips]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

Depends who you are talking to about a one plane swing. First of all get the club out of your fingers and into your palms. Next set up with the right arm and clubshaft forming a straight line, now you are set up for a one axis swing. Make sure your left arm and club form a straight line to your left shoulder, this will resemble the impact position hands ahead of club. Set the club away from the back of the ball which will allow your hands to be in the middle of your chest. Play all irons 8 inches from the left heel and woods and utility clubs about three inches from the left heel. Feet need to be shoulder width on all full shots. Now hit the ball and keep your right heel down until well after impact. This is how Moe Norman did it, and if you don't know Moe it would do you well to read all about him and his swing. He was the best and only true one axis swinger of the golf swing that I know. There is your "One Plane" swing. Good luck I played with this swing for years until I discovered a better way of swinging the golf club. bp

[keiko]

Re: Should I try the one-plane-swing?

The 1 or 2 plane swing is a gimmick and has no relevance to the swing or to playing well.
First, get the fundamentals down, grip, posture, alignment, tempo. Once you have these as second nature, then work on the swing.
Don't try college unless you have successfully finished high school.

OTT is starting to really, really frustrate me and the harder I try to slow my swing or focus on the first move in the downswing, the worse it gets. A friend has suggested I try the one-plane golfswing as he read on a golf website "If you are aggressive and strong in the chest, abdominals, back and shoulders, the one-plane swing will suit you better."

Anyone agree / disagree and would love to hear anyone who has changed from a two plane to a one-plane swing and if so has it worked for them?

(Im a frustrated 26 handicapper)!!