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Re: Struggling with your pivot ?
Did you see how far forward his ball position is? Probably to compensate for his sliding hips. I personally like to have the ball in the middle of my stance (neutral position) turn and rotate together. But his concepts are good, it is just a difference in sequence. -
Re: Struggling with your pivot ?
I think his type of hip bump is good for a more upright swing where the arms need to drop in the slot at the start of the downswing. It's very much like the Joe Dante 4 Magic Moves model. With a rotary type swing the hips need a smaller shift and plenty of rotation.
Something not mentioned that I feel is important is not allowing the right hip to push out at the start of the downswing , the right hip needs to stay anchored and the left hip move back in the initial stage, this is what prevents the OTT move.Comment
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Re: Struggling with your pivot ?
makes sense to me. Its just like gregs walking drill
its a good traditional swing though, if you are going that route I would recommend it. I like his stick in belt drill, if you are not connected or out of sync, you would smack that stick and know immediatly, good drill, just don't go 100% the first time as you will probly hurt yourself if you are too out of snyc.
just so people don't get mad and say I am blowing them off ect. if it is in quotes just think of it as IMO, even though all of this really is IMO.
here is a little Mike Austin 101 (attached pic)
1st frame you see a heavy weight (20lbs which is close to the avg head weight) on top of a scale tht weighs 150lbs, if you looked at that, you would think the 20lb weight would fall right over. In the 2nd pic is the same pic but from the back view, where there is a bolt holding that 20lbs into the wall. If you knew that, then you would have said obvisously the little weight at the bottom will swing foward instead of the opposite which you would have initially thought. Now I know the scale would have read 0 as the 150lbs is placed on the bolt, but just bear with me.
If you look at the 3rd frame, you see he looks just like the first frame. Then you look at the backswing and the foreswing and see that it again looks like the "head" will be falling over, but if you put a bolt through the head, you would see the top of the pendulum at both sides of the swing.
Well, instead of a bolt holding the head up, the spine goes down from the head and into the legs and down to the ground. If you looked at the BS and the guy stopped there (froze), then he would fall over, but he isn't still or frozen, he is dynamic. All 150 lbs (probably closer to 140lbs, but this is the down and dirty) of the weight is on his back foot in the BS and all of the 150 lbs of weight is on his front foot in the DS. Its a swinging of the hips, a pendulum.
people see it as a reverse pivot, and in a still pic, it could be. But the golf swing is dynamic, for a few seconds the weight is on the back foot in the BS and if you froze, you would fall over, but if you move back to your front foot you don't fall and the weight tranfers. Just like walking.
There is no imaginary spine or any support between out legs, so why would we turn out hips and around an imaginary spine, that is where lower spine injuries occour. We post our weight on one leg and then turn around it, then tranfer it to the other leg, and once our weight is posted on that, we can turn around that. But turning around the post is key, you never pull the post back.
I can't see the video from the DTL view, but I think he is turning "wrong" or traditional. Once your wieght is posted on the front foot, you then allow your body to turn anterior or between your spine and the ball so that your whole right side is going into the ball.
The lateral shift looks more than it is, its kind of an illusion. You only move 6-8" from your center, but, when you move 6-8" right, you know need to move 6-8" back to center and then 6-8" left, you now moved 12-16" from the BS so it looks like a huge hipe slide, when really it is nothing more than walking.
The traditional swing, some tranfer the weight "properly" where as others don't do it "properly" but still get the weight over thir front. But once the wieght is their, they turn by backing their front leg and butt back away from the ball and pulling the club back and conter that force with the right hand/arm going toward the ball creatig a torque and that is where thier power/speed comes from. They have two forces going back and one going foward. And if you have a lot of right strength, you can put a ton of torque and speed on that club head.
If you don't have strength or don't want to rely on it, you can let the club swing. When you shift the weight, now let your right side turn anterior but before all of that you triggered your club head to start trying to catch up to the left arm at impact, so now you have the whole force of your body weight and the speed of the hands into impact all going forward and it is all free and there is no pulling or torque force, you have 3 right hands basically like hogan always wanted, when actually hogan had 1 right hand torquing agaist the 2 left pulling forces, he could have had 3 rights hands all along.
this comes from Jim MCKinnon and an Austinology site but I really like how it explains things.
"At work I often have to use a long handled 8 lb. hammer to knock wheels loose that are seized on a car hub. I can go about the swing in 3 distinct ways, and an infinite combination of the 3. 1) I can keep the hammer locked in a "flying wedge" and hit it with the full weight of my body. 2) I can throw the hammer around the triangle and hit it with just the significant weight of the hammer. OR 3) I can throw the hammer around the triangle, AND time it with the full connected mass of my body."
And you can only do this if you shift your weight, shay on plane, and turn anteriorly.
If you do this traditionally, you are only using your body mass to pull and torquing it with your right hand. This is also the reason for steel shafts and stiff shafts. You couldn't make a traditional swing with a hickory shaft of you would snap it all day long.
But if you made a connected throw with a hickory shaft you are golden.Last edited by lgskywalker37; 11-24-2009, 06:42 PM.Comment
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Re: Struggling with your pivot ?
Now this really gets interesting.
If you read Nicklaus and McLean, shifting the hips forward is an absolute no-no or a "death move"; you're supposed to turn them.
Dante/Elliott says you have to shift the hips forward, turning them is really bad news. BTW, an excellent book! Just getting into it. IMO this makes much more sense-you clear the right hip, you hit down on the ball and casting the club to the outside is minimized. You can also play your drives farther forward to hit the ball on the upswing for more distance/roll.
Thanks to this site for suggesting the "Four Magic Moves". Wish my dial-up was beter so I could see your videos, etc. ....WilComment
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Re: Struggling with your pivot ?
One more to help you along...
http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-v...32005&rsec=551Comment
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Re: Struggling with your pivot ?
Originally posted by ben hogan View Post
lol, Mike Austin said, if you are going to back shift (moving the right ships back away from the ball, as opposed to toward the target line) you might as well not even use your right foot just like this guy says. so in a way he is right.
Though this guy in uneducated and close minded stack and tilt teacher. It is true that that is one way to swing a golf club, and if you are going to pull back your right hip, you might as well not go back in the first place.
But what he doesn't realize is that you CAN use your right side and transfer your weight from your right to your left fast enough and if you do, this is how you get serious power/speed.Last edited by lgskywalker37; 12-01-2009, 04:43 AM.Comment
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Re: Struggling with your pivot ?
haha, that soundtrack for the video is great.
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