Tips or help needed pls.

[Jamie1]

Hi
I have recently being playing well but with the driver I'm hitting huge slices and can't figure out how to stop it. I have being using my 3 wood off the tee and hitting it 270 or 280 consistently and would like to be able to put the same shot onto the driver and was looking for some tips or drills to get the driver going.

[keiko]

Re: Tips or help needed pls.

What driver-loft, head size,shaft stiffness, length, etc-are you using.
The driver has to be hit on the upswing, sounds like you are teeing it too low and hitting it on downswing and/or your ball position is too far back in your stance.
experiment with the above issues and get back to me.

Hi
I have recently being playing well but with the driver I'm hitting huge slices and can't figure out how to stop it. I have being using my 3 wood off the tee and hitting it 270 or 280 consistently and would like to be able to put the same shot onto the driver and was looking for some tips or drills to get the driver going.

[Jamie1]

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Thanks for the reply. I'm using a 10.5 regular g10 around 44.5 inchs. I can't see why I'm hitting it this way as my 3 wood is going a long way and as straight as it could be hit or sometimes a slight draw but once I get the driver I just spray them straight right.

[rogue]

Re: Tips or help needed pls.

What driver-loft, head size,shaft stiffness, length, etc-are you using.
The driver has to be hit on the upswing, sounds like you are teeing it too low and hitting it on downswing and/or your ball position is too far back in your stance.
experiment with the above issues and get back to me.

1. who says the driver has to be hit on the upswing?
2. why would hitting on the downswing cause a slice?
3. why would having the ball back in your stance cause a slice?

Basically your clubface is open to the swing path at impact. So either your swingpath is too far left (very possible - check your divot) or your clubface is open.

Try and feel as if you hit a tennis shot to the right with some topspin (rotation of the hands). Or just feel as though your club swings a little more right through impact as the face comes in toe first (closed)

[BrianW]

Re: Tips or help needed pls.

Hi
I have recently being playing well but with the driver I'm hitting huge slices and can't figure out how to stop it. I have being using my 3 wood off the tee and hitting it 270 or 280 consistently and would like to be able to put the same shot onto the driver and was looking for some tips or drills to get the driver going.

Jamie,

Do you really hit your 3 Wood 270/280 yards? That's a hell of a long drive for most golfers and would normally suggest you are a very good golfer or even a professional.

If you are capable of this kind of distance then you must have a very good golf swing and should not be having problems with driving. Please show me a video of your swing and I will be able to make a realistic evaluation of your abilities and driving distances.

[Jamie1]

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Hi thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure of exact distance but I was playing last night and had only 100 as I was right on the marker left on a 383 yard par 4 slightly up hill slightly into a breeze and it was a normal 3 wood. so I tink it around that length I think it's more that I generate a lot of club head speed but when I get the driver in my hand it feels as if I have no power and it's lagging behind I just don't get the same whip for all world as my irons or 3 wood.

[rogue]

Re: Tips or help needed pls.

if u are generating enough clubhead speed to produce that distance with a 3 wood perhaps u should be using an extra or even tour stiff shaft. 280 with a 3 wood is tiger distance and although i dont think you have his speed i am welcome to be wronged.

[mahbo]

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Hi Jamie

If you are hitting the balll that far and straight with a 3 wood, I would say you would most likely have a fundamentally solid swing.

With the driver, the troubles could be contributed by your mind and stress of hitting well with the driver. This could lead to gripping the club too tightly, tension and lunging the ball from the top.

We all know when we want something so badly, things go funny!

Is this happening only on the course or the driving range too?

thanks

Mahbo

[rogue]

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Hi Jamie

If you are hitting the balll that far and straight with a 3 wood, I would say you would most likely have a fundamentally solid swing.

With the driver, the troubles could be contributed by your mind and stress of hitting well with the driver. This could lead to gripping the club too tightly, tension and lunging the ball from the top.

We all know when we want something so badly, things go funny!

Is this happening only on the course or the driving range too?

thanks

Mahbo

Very good points - are you thinking "don't slice it" because that will open up the neural pathway for a slice. Its like telling ourselves not to be nervous can actually create the nerves

[Jamie1]

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Hi
Hearing that I thought about it and when I have the 3 wood in my hand I fell confident and just hit it yet when I have the driver I think too much about the swing and try to guide it with my hands where as the 3 wood I just make a full swing everytime, but this is only this year as in previous years my driver was my strong club.

[rogue]

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Then it sounds like it is down to your beliefs. When you subconsciously believe you will do something, mostly it comes true. Very complicated studies on how consciousness and free will and motor programmes work have proven this over and over. So heres what u must do to change the mentality and your subconscious beliefs.

1. Go through in your head, all the previous good shots you have hit with the driver
2. make a small video of you nailing the driver, play it over and over
3. When you hit a bad shot with the driver, pay it no attention or give any emotion out (this is hard at first but after a while you will be a natural at it)
4. Do the reverse, when you hit a good shot with the driver, give a little foot tap, club twirl, fist pump or whatever tag you want, sound cheesy but the cheesier the better.
5. spend 5 mins a day sitting down imagining ripping the driver with a little draw.

THIS IS NOT A SHORT TERM PLAN

this will work but may take a week or month of the above. If you have hit a good shot with that club before then it is somehwere in you head to be able to do it. Somewhere along the line you have forgotten or conditioned yourself away from it by doing the reverse of the above. Maybe you went through your bad shots too much in your head, maybe you let out a few expletives after hittting a slice, mybe you have been imagining a sslice before you hit the shot.

[keiko]

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Its all about spin and an open clubface
1.find me a credible teacher who says driver should be hit on downswing
2.spin
3.clubface doesn't have chance to close/no release/side spin
there is no divot with driver except for yours maybe.
LOL

1. who says the driver has to be hit on the upswing?
2. why would hitting on the downswing cause a slice?
3. why would having the ball back in your stance cause a slice?

Basically your clubface is open to the swing path at impact. So either your swingpath is too far left (very possible - check your divot) or your clubface is open.

Try and feel as if you hit a tennis shot to the right with some topspin (rotation of the hands). Or just feel as though your club swings a little more right through impact as the face comes in toe first (closed)

[rogue]

Re: Tips or help needed pls.

Its all about spin and an open clubface
1.find me a credible teacher who says driver should be hit on downswing
2.spin
3.clubface doesn't have chance to close/no release/side spin
there is no divot with driver except for yours maybe.
LOL

1. Sure its a good idea to hit the driver on the upswing, but it doesnt have to happen. Check trackman stats for tour pros. Average 3 degree decending angle of attack with driver. I could find you severeal credible teachers who have been enlightened by trackman stats and are not just going on old wives tales.

2. why does hitting down cause slice spin - i think you need to learn the basics of physics and stop teaching tem as if you know. Heres a little thought experiment. Is it not possible to hit down on a wedge and hit a draw? in fact hitting down more can increase the basckspin rate thus decreasing the sidespin thus decreasing the amount of slice (all other things being equal). Hence why TOUR PROS HIT DOWN ON THEIR DRIVER

3. True it may not help - but moving the ball forward can make the swing path more left in most cases. In order to draw the ball a ball position that is further back is more beneficial as it promotes a more in to out path. in fact I have videos of Furyk, Cink and Tiger ssayingn that they move the ball back to hit a draw and forward to fade it. Dont argue with me, take it up with the worlds best.

Cheap shot - I wasnt referring to the driver divot but the divot in general. It usually has a great correlation throughout the bag. I do agree with your first comment about it being all about (side)spin and an open clubface. One out of 4 aint bad

LOL

[keiko]

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It's obvious we disagree especially with your trackman stats; no way pro's are hitting 3*descending with driver=that's just not true at all.
Finally, and I do mean finally, you have very strange info and obviously most of it is false while you direct me to knowledge of physics-you have none at all.
Stop making stuff up just to seem knowledgeable with the agenda to just be obstructive and obstinent.
I will not be responding to your posts from here on out.
Cheers and have a good day.

1. Sure its a good idea to hit the driver on the upswing, but it doesnt have to happen. Check trackman stats for tour pros. Average 3 degree decending angle of attack with driver. I could find you severeal credible teachers who have been enlightened by trackman stats and are not just going on old wives tales.

2. why does hitting down cause slice spin - i think you need to learn the basics of physics and stop teaching tem as if you know. Heres a little thought experiment. Is it not possible to hit down on a wedge and hit a draw? in fact hitting down more can increase the basckspin rate thus decreasing the sidespin thus decreasing the amount of slice (all other things being equal). Hence why TOUR PROS HIT DOWN ON THEIR DRIVER

3. True it may not help - but moving the ball forward can make the swing path more left in most cases. In order to draw the ball a ball position that is further back is more beneficial as it promotes a more in to out path. in fact I have videos of Furyk, Cink and Tiger ssayingn that they move the ball back to hit a draw and forward to fade it. Dont argue with me, take it up with the worlds best.

Cheap shot - I wasnt referring to the driver divot but the divot in general. It usually has a great correlation throughout the bag. I do agree with your first comment about it being all about (side)spin and an open clubface. One out of 4 aint bad

LOL

[rogue]

Re: Tips or help needed pls.

It's obvious we disagree especially with your trackman stats; no way pro's are hitting 3*descending with driver=that's just not true at all.
Finally, and I do mean finally, you have very strange info and obviously most of it is false while you direct me to knowledge of physics-you have none at all.
Stop making stuff up just to seem knowledgeable with the agenda to just be obstructive and obstinent.
I will not be responding to your posts from here on out.
Cheers and have a good day.

http://trackman.dk/getmedia/e388effb...uary-2010.aspx

read page 7 from 14, clearly stating that the average male tour pro with a swing speed of 114mph hits -1.3 degree down on the ball (ok i was a little off but still shows they hit down on ball).

Now explain to me, with your superior grasp of physics....
how does hitting down on a ball guarantee a slice.
Or you could just remain silent
BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.

Even if you dont reply to this post other people are going to see through your bull. I have just stuck to the stats and relayed correct information rather than listened to your old wives tales. Its a shame, you actually seem intelligent. Yet it seem that you are the one who is being bull headed with incorrect information just to be obstructive and obstinent.