Tour Striker Pro vs Taly Mind Set

[sixiron150]

I've suffered from a cupped left wrist at impact for a long time and I'm sick of it. Of the aforementioned aids, is one particularly better than the other? I'm leaning towards the Taly, however the TSP also sounds like it might be best. Or perhaps I should just save my money and practice some of the drills on youtube? I need all of the help I can get though. Any advice would be appreciated!!

[arny660]

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The Tour Striker Pro every time. It is probably the best training aid on the market. It will teach a forward lean and help eradicate your flip. And their customer service is superb.

[arny660]

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Go Low, I have to agree with a reply that Brian gave you in an earlier post. Your advice is excellent. It really makes sense and is explained in an easy-to-understand manner. You should really think about writing that book! I print off most of your advice - I almost have a book here! Many thanks.

[ben hogan]

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Save your money here's the inventor of the Tour Striker...

[arny660]

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In my opinion, Martin Chuck is an excellent golf instructor. You can check out his instruction videos on his Tour Striker website and also on YouTube. He will also take time to deal with your queries and is an all-round good guy. I have found the Tour Striker to be a great training club. It has really helped me.

[rogue]

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C'mon then Golow, Share the secrets

[rogue]

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Here: http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/sh...2#post10574072

Interesting stuff.
I'm not saying this to be awkward but I did try the ulnar deviation - deviating it as much as i could to the point of pain almost but i could still cup my wrist both ways, and although it was limited it was by no means eliminated. I would also argue that the right hand would have MORE ulnar deviation than the left hand so why can it bend backward and retain its angle

And although you are correct that this position can greatly help the forward lean of the club (which I also deem massively important) it doesnt guarantee that they will be hitting with a decending blow, or the divot is going to be after the ball etc. I've seen pro's fat the ball with great forward lean - I can do it intentionally if i want to (get the club to lean forward at impact - have my weight on my left side and still hit as many inches behind the ball as i choose). In my opinion ball and turf contact is a skill that has to be learned directly, not through indirect technique changes. I for one have a lee westwood style release naturally - bent left arm and cupped left wrist with loss of lag at impact - although i still get the club to have a forward lean and i hit the ball very straight and consistent. I dont say all of this to discredit what you have said - i find what you say very relevant. I just wanted to hear your take on the above of what i have said.

And I agree with the ulnar deviation to a certain extent. Almost all pros do this at impact although it raises the lie angle of the club a few degrees. Moe norman basically started in this positon. Perhaps it was why he was so straight. Although I have heard other theories that a high club plane at impact can cause flipping. Personally i have never bought into it. What do you think?


The main problems i see with this is back to my first point. If the rule is

The more ulnar deviation the less the wrist can cup

Surely this would go FOR you with the left hand as you dont want it to cup, but AGAINST you with the right hand as limiting the cupping action would promote a backward shaft lean at impact. Another point is that if you limit wrist extension or cupping of the left wrist completely it can limit the amount of lag you have - try it. You can reatin more wrist cock with a cuppped left wrist than a a flat or bowed one.

you could get around this like Hogan did by having a cupped wrist on the downswing and then supinating through impact - but really this is very difficult to teach or learn. I think it has to be about balance really. Or you have to take the peoples goals into account - do they want more aaccurcay and consistency, or lag and speed. What are their beleifs and abilities to produce these movements also? Balance is always the key. I think when we see something in the golf swing it can be easy to start convincing ourselves that its the key or secret and we can easily over do the theory

[bill reed]

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hi Go Low
very intresting and does make you think about it, and thinking helps you understand. i do agree that clubs are made for the in to in swing and the better golfer but most high handicap golfers swing more out to in. but you do get a lot of handicap golfers with a in to out swing but have other faults
you said that most handicap golfers get fitted with clubs to suit there inferior swing, but most handicap golfers go through there whole golfing life with what could be called an inferior swing, if you compare it to a pro golfer and most handicap golfers dont have the time to put the hours in prefecting there swing even close to a pro golfer and most would not want to put in the hours if they had them as its not there job but a way to relax and have a day out with friends.
i think you have 2 types of handicap players. the handicap player who just wants to play a round of golf and the low handicap player who works a couple of night on his short game and puts a lot of work in getting his handicap down to 6 or less and has to keep working at it to keep low.

do you not think that for the high handicap golfer that only plays a sunday 4 some that fitting the clubs will help him more in the long run than clubs that are not fitted.
cheers
Bill

[bill reed]

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hi Go Low
what you say is true but i have spent the last 38 years playing ping clubs and being fitted and i feel that has made me a better golfer. i did get down to 4 handicap but now playing of 10.
i do work the ball, mostly a fade. most of the ping pro's have a couple of cavity back clubs in there bags. mostly 3 or 4 irons and the rest S56s, Lee Westwood played ping zings till a few years ago there there 20+ years old.
i agree most pro's could play with any clubs and still score well due to there ingrained swing but i think fitting a handicap player in the way Ping do does help you hit the ball cleaner and closer to the sweet spot, have a set of clubs you feel confedent in does help when out on the course. i have seen and heard players throwing there clubs and saying it was the clubs fault for a bad shot but if you get fitted and now the clubs suit your game then you will not blame the clubs only your swing and then work towards getting a repeating swing that makes your game more enjoyable.
you see so many players changing there driver year on year looking for the 300yard club and only hitting it really long once in a blue moon. trying to buy a game rather than as you said working on a swing.
getting fitted with a club that has the right swing weight, shaft and head type will help your game and like my 2% flat lie clubs helped me in gaining a one plane type swing.
if i had played with the standard black dot lie i would still be swing two plane and more out to in. where with the flatter plane i swing with an in to out Trevino push type shot and its great for fading a ball and works great.
you also said in your first post about Moe Norman and how setting up like you are at impact, Mindy Blake wrote about that back in the 60 and 70s and use to have a preswing where he would drop the right elbow to the right hip and swing back slowly to the ball to see the line up of the face to the ball. i find this helps a lot then fading the ball for checking where the ball will start out.
all the best
Bill

[rogue]

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A scratch player's equipment is likely different from the handicaper's equipment because the scratch player is looking for clubs that allow him to work the ball, and have a more refined feel.

I'm interested, what does a good player choose in a clubhead that allows them to work the ball more?

[rogue]

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Unless your wrist is extremely abnormal you can only have flexion (bow) in full UD. When you bend your wrist toward the outside of your forearm (flip condition) you will notice that your wrist comes out of full UD. Take a look at how the base of your thumb is arched downward in UD and then bend it toward a flip - the base of the thumb moves upward even with, or above, the level of your lower forearm...thus moving from UD to a more neutral wrist position.

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I must have an abnormal wrist then as I can bend the wrist into a bowed and cupped position in full ulnar deviation. Although it is limited, it is not nearly enough to prevent a flip at impact - for me anyway. I could possibly post a video of me doing this if you would like.


You didnt address my main question though, Which is.... If this is true that "ulnar deviation will prevent any cupping in the wrist" surely this would go against the goal of maintaining cup in the right wrist. I would argue that the right wrist must deviate more than the left looking at the pictures of the pros you posted.

[rogue]

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The main thing a good player looks for is a blade iron with narrow sole, very minimal offset and little or no cavity - all of these things allows him to work the ball.

My brain doesnt seem to be functioning. Why would these things help a player work the ball? I can understand how less offset would minimise the draw - but that wouldn't really count as helping the player to work the ball would it?

[BrianW]

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My brain doesnt seem to be functioning. Why would these things help a player work the ball? I can understand how less offset would minimise the draw - but that wouldn't really count as helping the player to work the ball would it?

A muscle-back blade is a club with all the game improvement features removed, the ball will react more readily to the contact made. Offset, oversize, cavity back and peripheral weighting will act to nullify the more acute impact needed to shape shots.

[rogue]

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A muscle-back blade is a club with all the game improvement features removed, the ball will react more readily to the contact made. Offset, oversize, cavity back and peripheral weighting will act to nullify the more acute impact needed to shape shots.

How exactly? Surely game improvement clubs are better at minimising torsion through off centre hits - but this doesnt count as helping a good player, who is hitting the centre, shape the ball better.

If you hit the ball on the sweet spot with a game improver or a blade they should curve the same amount. If you hit 'off centre' then the blade will curve more. But a good player doesnt shape the ball by hitting the toe or heel.

Or is this not true? Do you have any information on this for me - it just deosnt add up in my head

[bill reed]

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hi Brain and Rogue
I use Ping Zings 2 a big headed cavaty back club with toe-heel weighting and off-set and i find it easy to shape shots as did Lee Westwood only two years ago when he used this 1994 clubs, i have used Ping K1s and Ping Eye and now Ping Zings 2 clubs and never had any troble shaping shots. (draws and fades, hitting high and low.)
i have never used a blade but i heard they spin the ball more if hit neat the toe or the heel. with the zings i lose about 5 yards if i hit half an inch of the toe but it don't seem to spin any more than a well hit shot near the sweet spot.
i don't have a blade club to test this out but i do belive that the cavaty back does help off sweet spot hits but no harder to shape a shot that any other club. i can only comapair the Pings i have used in the last 40 years and before that i could not hit a drive more than 150 years with my Johny letters clubs. so did not have the ability to shape the ball back then.
cheers
Bill