Question on right hand drill

[Long Dugg]

I've started using more hip rotation on my downswing and getting good results from my short/mid irons but it's doing no good on my long irons/woods. After studying the right hand drill I realize that I'm swatting the longer clubs but for some reason don't on the shorter ones. It seems harder to hold the right wrist cupped with woods. My question is, would using a foward press benefit in getting the right wrist cupped and holding it through the swing? I swing woods pretty hard and I think it's causing a breakdown in my wrist at the top of the swing. Thanks!
By the way excellent drill

[Ian Hancock]

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Hi Long Dug,

If you are loosing the wrist angle on the long irons and woods then you must be cocking the wrist incorrectly......ie not up and down.

A good feeling for this type of wrist cock with long irons and woods is a slight rotation of the hands but be careful not to start over rotating. A good test is when the left arm reaches 9 o clock the club should be at a 90 degree angle pointing straight up to the sky.......from this point just rotate the shoulders to the top.


Hope this helps


ian.

[whippet]

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so let me get this right on impact your wrist must be cuipped not straight ?

[Long Dugg]

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After thinking more about it, it may be easier to maintain the cup in the downswing by pulling a little more with the left arm

[LowPost42]

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Yes - trailing wrist must be cupped, not straight. If it's straight, your lead wrist must be cupped - drastically closing the clubface.

[Long Dugg]

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Hit some balls today with driver using this right hand position. WOW! It's been a while since I've had this kind of distance and trjectory. I was using a forward press to have the impact sensation but I think my clubhead moves in/out a little causing right/left shots. I really feel after getting used to this my game will improve a good bit. After countless searches for something to work this is the best I've seen. I still have to put it to test with 3 wood and long irons but if I can groove this position I feel it'll work fine. This is a part of the swing I never found in Jack's "Golf My Way" or Tiger's "How I Play Golf". Rotate hips and hold position and Bam. Also finally had a full, hold the pose follow through. Thanks Greg! I'll keep posted on "hopeful" advancement.

[GregJWillis]

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Thanks Doug! Great to hear you are on the "right" track.

[whippet]

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great article, just a quick question tho greg,
in your right hand drill section you say that the pros wont tell you to keep the cupped position all the way through your swing, because they dont do it in theres does that mean all pros are very good swatters?

[GregJWillis]

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It was more of a comment on "Teachers" that do not hold this position. From my expierence (very subjective and not meant to be by any means absolute) they do not teach this method. Most of the professional "Players" I see do this position the way I described. Teaching can always approach the same idea in several different ways, but not neccessarily say it the same way. So, it was not meant to "slam" or "berate" pro's, it was meant to say that some do not teach it because they prescribe to their own methods. Pick your favorite by trying them, and make it apart of you.

[Long Dugg]

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Coming along fine but seeing a few hard slices and pushes every now and then. it seemed to help today by bending knees a little more and having low hands at address. This low hands feeling hit most straight as an arrow and few had a slight fade. Any thoughts on this?

[pnearn]

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Greg

Just a thought but my impression was that the wrists should be passive in the swing? Im working hard on keeping a really loose feel in my wrists through the swing to eliminate tension and get a proper release. Thus on the backswing I let the swinging up of my arms caused by the shoulder turn to cock the wrists automatiucally (i.e. in no way do I consciously move them up) and on the downswing I try again to keep em real loose and let the swinging down of the arms caused by the lower body turn release the wrists 'down' naturally

Im guessing this is what you agree with too right? In that this up and down motion should be a repsonse to your body motion not a deliberate action. Indeed trying to think about cocking your wrists up and down in a swing might be counter productive? Im finding that its when I have less conscious moving parts in my swing is when im hitting it great

[Ian Hancock]

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Pnearn/Greg,

Just to put my 10 pennith in,

From reading the several threads over the past few months on this very enlightening subject............you know me I have a psychological angle,

Its all in the mind..........you work on the wrist moving up and down, then through the swing you feel your manipulating your wrists into lifting .......however Pnearn has just said that the wrists should be less active and respond with the body.

My point is to everyone really.........your wrists move up and down once you have worked on this, they only feel less active when you get used to it.....I would hazard a guess that Pnearn is using his wrists exactly the same way as when he tried to work on making them go up and down consciously.

We all must remember when we get in a "zone" of playing well we don't know how we swung at the last shot.


Hope this is clear


Ian.

[GregJWillis]

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Pnearn/Ian,

Can't agree more. Well said. You have to remember that this is a drill to teach the proper use of something, and it usually has to be a forced move to those that did the wrong thing to begin with. So they have to consciencly change the way they did it before. And as you said, it becomes a passive thought that you can pretty much forget about. And the relaxed feeling is a perfect explaination.

[Belboz]

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Interesting drill, and far more difficult in execution than I would have thought (not sure what that says about my "swing," of course)!

I have two difficulties with the drill -- first, high tension in the wrists and forearms trying to maintain the cupped right wrist .. no doubt a horrible habit being expelled .. and second, an immediate loss of the cupped wrist past impact point and problems rolling over the hands for continued release.

I would certainly appreciate any further hints on addressing these two points -- thanks!

Wayne

[GregJWillis]

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Tension in the wrists,you suspected, will exist because this is a new feeling. You will have to fight the initial resistance to the change. It will take a little while to allow a relaxed setup and overall range of motion to prevail. Give this more then just one test.

If you are immediatly releasing the cupped position and cannot hold that position, even in the short-swing drill, you would probably benifit from the Norman Wrist Swing aid "Secret".

Don't forget to get your hips fully rotated prior to impact. This way, you are in the correct position for the hands to be in this cuppoed position. If you are not rotating through, then you will probably be wanting to release/roll the hands to cover for this.