how to cure an outside in swing

[colby7]

sorry if this has been a topic in recent posts but i'm at work and havent really got time to search through the threads (shouldnt really be on the net )
but can anyone help with a drill or a link to a drill to help cure an outside in swing

thanks
colby7

[LowPost42]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

Set up with your club 1" away from your house/shed/car etc.

Swing.

Guaranteed to cure your outside in swing, or make you buy new clubs.


It's a good drill, just replace house/shed/car with a shoebox. Hit the box, you're outside in.

Like any good drill, try it slowly at first - get the feel. Then speed up.

In mens' night last night, I decided to try going back to a 2 plane swing (just to see what would happen). Well, for the first two swings, I had a pull and a slice. Been a while since I've seen those. The correcting move was to pull my right elbow back on the backswing. Problem solved. Laser accuracy.

[John Oller]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

1. Place 3 balls in line at a 45 degree angle to the right, a couple inches apart from each. Hit the middle ball.


2. Imagine a stake, umbrella, etc. driven into the ground at a 45 degree angle, halfway between the ball and your feet at address, and about 3 feet to the right of you. Take the club back outside the stake on the backswing, and inside of it on the downswing.
3. Think of swinging the club toward 1 o'clock on the downswing, the target line being at noon.

Drills 2. and 3. can be a little dicey long-term since they ingrain an "in to out" swing instead of the correct "in to square to in" path. But a slicer's gotta start somewhere.

[AlanN]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

The best advice I could give anyone, suffering from an out to in swingpath, is to find out what is causing this to happen. A visit to a good teaching pro should pay dividends and save you a lot of time, effort and frustration.

Drills are fine but, there is always the danger of over compensating and ending up, as I did, with a severe in to out swing. As a consequence I started to push (block), if I didn't concentrate on rolling my hands through impact. This is not a proper cure; if you overdo the attempt to square the club face, at impact, you end up hooking.

There may be something wrong in your set up or, as in my case, weight transfer, which is causing the out to in downswing. Unfortunately, my swing fell apart when I bought a copy of "Swing Like A Pro", about a year ago. This book should carry a warning "don't open this unless you are 5 handicap or lower".

What works for me is Dr. Jim Suttie's "wait-shift" method. Let the arms start to swing down before shifting the weight forwards. This way your arms are always in front of your body and it is impossible to swing out to in. You will stay behind the ball and the result will be a ball flight with a slight draw

[Mr_Change]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

It depends why you have an outside swing. The most common cause is getting to the top and then starting the downswing with your shoulders. To fix this you need to start with your lower body. Start by moving all your weight to your left side. Pull the handle feeling when starting your downswing pull the buttend of the club towards the ball. This will keep your right elbow connected to your body and cause an inside out swing path.

[mr3856a]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

The be all and end all fix to this problem is the following:

When you reach the top of your backswing, your first move down should be to return your right elbow to the side of your body.

End of story. It's really that simple. Harvey Pennick called it the "Magic Move," and take it from me, it's magic.

[msklar92]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

I disagree with previous reply for myself in that you purposely move the right elbow into the body, although this may work for others. In a book called "Better Golf" by Steve Newell, he states "you start the downswing with a subtle move of you left knee towards the target, combined with a gradual weight shift on to your left foot....referred to as leg separation....this initiates an unwinding of the hips and torso, which automatically slots your hands and arms down into an ideal attack position". It sounds simple, I have tried this and it works very well. I think more lower body transition thoughts rather than upper body transition thoughts are more likely to cure an outside to inside swing. Also agree with 3 ball drill. If you practice swinging with the club head an inch from your car, make sure your insurance is up to date.

[mr3856a]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

I think more lower body transition thoughts rather than upper body transition thoughts are more likely to cure an outside to inside swing.

IMHO you can move your legs however you'd like and still come over the top/outside in. However, if you move the elbow back to the side as your first move down, it's literally impossible to come outside in.

Starting the downswing with your left knee is also a great way to start swaying and hitting some big chunkers.

[whippet]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

it is strange thing inside out outside in roll wrist cock wrist turn sholders as for me i learnt my swing form the 2 step golf swing by shawn humphries after reading this got the basics of the swing, but still didnt get much better, then i had 1 lesson with the local pro and wow, now i dont think about all those thoughs just take the club back then smash the ball goes 250 striaght down the middle, AND ALL THIS COST WAS !( 19 QUID FROM A LOCAL PRO, my advise just pay the bloody money if you can aford to play golf week in week out you can afford the lesson no book video drill will do you more good

[pnearn]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

I very much come from the school of thought that says if youre in the right position at the top you will find it much harder to come OTT in the downswing

One thing to really be careful of is swinging the club too far behind and around yourself rather than up. If the club is too far behind you at the top you have to come OTT to even get it down. Try experimenting with a much more vertical swing where your club faces the ball for as long as possible on the backswing and you have high hands at the top. It will feel like a very steep backswing, but if you are steep at the top it is much easier to come from the inside as the club drops down

This is what I know always works for me when I start slicing

[Mr_Change]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

Outside swing planes can happen from being in the right position in at the top. Look at a 2 plane swing. firstly everything moves away from the target together. at hips high your club will be on plane where it is both parrelle to the ground and your target line (lower plane). Once you have reached this position you will start to coil agaisnt your hips and while doing so you take the club to a higher plane, which is outside the lower plane.

Remember we are outside the lower plane if we try to hit the ball from the top using our shoulder we will swing from the outside in. If we try to get it to the lower plane we will come way to steep and hit it fat.

To makesure you get back to the lower plane you need to start with your lower body. You hips will unwind and your shoulders stay coiled against them and your wrist will stay cocked. once your hips are square to the target line your shoulders are still coiled against them they will be 45% and your wrist are fully cocked the club will have dropped down to the lower target line, from their you can releash your shoulders and wrist and use everything you got and still be on plane.

[pnearn]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

To makesure you get back to the lower plane you need to start with your lower body

Im not sure thats absolutely right. Im a big advocate of not transitioning with the lower body. I think for most amateurs having to kick in a knee, or bump a hip throws people off balance unless done smoothly. In my experience most guys (myself included) tend to do this too violently thus leading to a sway

I transition simply by pulling the hands straight down and onto plane. This move also starts to clear my hips automatically. The key is to ensure you pull the club down to the ground whilst your head and shoulders stay still. Once the club is pulled back on to plane the upper body will unwind naturally as the arms extend through the ball

I know this is something teachers like Mclea advocate. Clearly feel and real are different things and on video it would like as though my hips might be moving my arms but its certainly a pull down action for me

[mr3856a]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

Im not sure thats absolutely right. Im a big advocate of not transitioning with the lower body. I think for most amateurs having to kick in a knee, or bump a hip throws people off balance unless done smoothly. In my experience most guys (myself included) tend to do this too violently thus leading to a sway

I absolutely, 10,000% agree with you on this one. I think starting the downswing by doing anything with your lower body, unless you are a very advanced player, is a recipe for disaster.

I transition simply by pulling the hands straight down

I know I sound like a broken record, but try just bringing your right elbow back to your body. It will have the same effect (but much more effective IMHO) and erases any tendency to get handsy with your swing. It will feel very natural very quickly, and you'll love the results.

[pnearn]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

I know I sound like a broken record, but try just bringing your right elbow back to your body. It will have the same effect (but much more effective IMHO) and erases any tendency to get handsy with your swing. It will feel very natural very quickly, and you'll love the results.

Again a lot is feel and real. If my body and head stay still when I drive down with the hands then I naturally bring the right elbow into my right hip. Just different ways of feeling the same thing, but, as you say, both are arm/hands led rather than with the lower body

Neither is wrong of course and I stress again how vital it is to be in the right position at the top of the swing for any of this to work. Just trial and error for what people feel works for them

[Mr_Change]

Re: how to cure an outside in swing

I am having trouble getting my head around pulling down with your arms or starting by bringing your right arm into your side.

I beleive that you need your hips need to be open or clear when the club is at impact, if your hips don't move first then your shoulders will travel slower to accomodate the clearing of your hips, this will lose clubhead speed, and distance.

I also beleavie that your hands, arms and shoulders need to be square at impact. So if you start with pulling your arms down you will have to slow your arms down before impact so that your shoulders and hands can catch up, this will cause a loss of power, which means even less distance.

Or can you give be a better understanding?


I don't want anyone to think I'm being a teacher, but this is how I swing my club now, I did find that when I used a 1 plane swing that I could just hit from the top and still be on plane. but I now get a longer shot on a 2 plane swing using my hips to unwind.