More on one plane swing

[irhyper2]

I have read the book "plane truth for Golfers" or what ever, and have a question on the left arm rotation on the backswing. Do you rotate the arm any on say a 1/2 wedge shot, or just on a full swing? Also, the "48 inch" rule is foggy. Does he mean if you draw a line from the ball to the target, and then a line 48 inches outside the ball, parallel to the target, then your shoulders should be pointing somewhere inside that line? After reading the one plane section, I think I have a one plane backswing, and a two plane downswing, if that makes sense. I think i have been tilting the shoulders, instead of rotating them, on the downswing. Does that make sense? My ball striking is very inconsistant.

[GregJWillis]

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You rotate the arm when the club gets around to parallel is how I read it. Becasue the first move is basically to take the club into the chest, then rotate and then let the arm pronate, you would figure out the length og you swing and just stop at that point...if you get to where the pronation starts, the you pronate there, otherwise, it's like a short chip.

The 48" rule is from the ball to 48 inches sideways (not toward the target, but 90 degrees right of it (for RH golfers)). Your torso tilts forwards at setup and while having the shoulders rotated back 90 degrees around your torso, if you place a club across your chest along you shoulder line, the shaft should now point at the 48" (or a little past that...but not too far).

I guarentee that you have a 2 plane backswing. There is no way to make a 2 plane downswing from a 1 plane position at the top.... Regardless, tilting shoulders is bad and you are good to work on rotating them about your torso.

[LowPost42]

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I have read the book "plane truth for Golfers" or what ever, and have a question on the left arm rotation on the backswing. Do you rotate the arm any on say a 1/2 wedge shot, or just on a full swing?

Personally, I use the Pelz method for any non-full-swing shot. But I would assume that you would rotate your arm proportionally for a 1/2 wedge shot.

Also, the "48 inch" rule is foggy. Does he mean if you draw a line from the ball to the target, and then a line 48 inches outside the ball, parallel to the target, then your shoulders should be pointing somewhere inside that line?

The line is parallel to your target line, 4' from the ball (and roughly 5' from you, assuming 1' between you and the ball). And as your shoulders turn, they should point somewhere inside this 4' area. If they point inside the ball, you're too bent over, and outside the 4' mark, too upright. To test it, place a ball 4' from a wall, then set up parallel to the wall. Make your shoulder turn, and make sure you're not pointing at the wall! (I hope that helps)

After reading the one plane section, I think I have a one plane backswing, and a two plane downswing, if that makes sense. I think i have been tilting the shoulders, instead of rotating them, on the downswing. Does that make sense? My ball striking is very inconsistant.

As you've read, that tilt will kill you, and force you to manipulate your hands and arms to hit the ball (so while your analogy works, it's not technically right).

Turn around your spine, and you'll be fine.

[pnearn]

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One of the things that will kill you on a 1PS downswing is movement of the right hip early in the downswing. If the right hip or right leg 'kicks in' your spine will straigten ( theres no way it cant) and your shoulders will tilt backwards slightly

A 1PS should really just be a turn of the shoulders back and through with a level spine angle. You may want to feel a slight bump to the left side before you turn really hard but work hard on keeping that spine angle and turning your shoulders around it

[MJE77]

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This is a great place for the 1Planers: http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/index.html?mw=bmp

I've just joined the vault for £8 odd and found a key to my problem straight away. This guy seems intelligent and he can hit the ball amazing himself and demonstrates so.

[pinyo8]

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That guy on that website does seem to know what he is talking about. I have to say I agree pretty much to everything that he says (so he is either a great salesman too).
The part that I agree most is where he says that golfers usually fall in one of thethe two categories but that there are many hybrids out there which will work. I have based a lot of myswing on Ben Hogan's "5 fundamental of golf" and Jack Nicklaus illustrated book since I was younger. Although my swing definitely falls on the one planer swing, I still feel that I do things conceptual that is still part of the two plane swing . I wait a little while for my hand to drop and wait for my hips to clear slightly(although not quite like the two plane swing I guess) until I really speed through with my upper body. When I do this, I hit it really consistently.
The other thing that I work on too is keeping the right elbow at 90 degrees which is more of a 2 plane swing concept. By doing this, I feel that I am at a much better position at the top (not cramped up) and I actually feel like my right wrist is cupped correctly.
To me, the one plane swing is definitely more natural for your body.

[irhyper2]

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To me, the one plane swing is definitely more natural for your body.

I have been studying the book, The Plane Truth" for about a week and doing some of the drills, as well as hitting short pitch shots in my yard. I went to the range today with my 8 iron, and was hitting some pretty good shots. I'm sure some old habits were there, but I tried to keep my left arm against my chest and really work on the proper shoulder turn (always been hard for me). I tried to point my left shoulder at the ground going back, and the right going thru the ball (that is diffiult as I felt like I was going to drive the club into the ground). It seemed, that by using at least some of the one plane techniques, it was eaiser to take a more aggressive cut at the ball. It also seemed easier to take a more controlled swing as well. Does that make sense?


After I got back to the office, and replaying the session in my mind, I realized that I did not Pronate my left forearm at all. AT least not a concious pronation. Oh well, hell, can't remember everything.

[MJE77]

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You might not need to think about pronating the left forearm. When I changed to the 1PS I'd previously been going way over the line at the top and consciously pronated which got the club laid-off. Now I don't have to think about pronation as it does it by itself. If I think about it I lay the club off too much.

The most important thing I've found in the 1PS is the shoulder turn. Whatever you do make sure you don't tilt in any direction. It seems that any bad shots in the 1PS are very simply fixed by checking you are doing the basic fundamentals correctly and the rest don't matter.

Now you've read Hardy's book go here: http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/forum/default.asp Lots of useful info on the 1PS and info on which bits of Hardy's instruction to follow in detail and which not to.

It seems most people who read Hardy's book overdo things and end-up in a mess after a while. If this happens to you then this forum is the place to go.

[GreeBoman]

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Holy ****!
How do you people hit the ball with all that **** running thorough your head?!
Get a lesson and work on what te pro tells you until your next lesson.

Having all that in your head cannot be good for your game.

"48 inch over pronation across the shoulder/target line"

[MJE77]

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You misunderstand if you think the 1PS is complicating things. You don't need to think about any of that stuff. You just bend over and swing like you're swinging a baseball bat and that's it.

[auldyn]

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Log on to moonshotgolf.com They give avery concise breakdown of the OPS. The book by jim Hardy is OK but much too wordy.

[irhyper2]

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Log on to moonshotgolf.com They give avery concise breakdown of the OPS. The book by jim Hardy is OK but much too wordy.

Thanks, I read the article, and it differs somewhat from Hardy. No where does Hardy advocate dropping the arms at the start of the downswing. In fact, I interpret him to say DON'T drop the arms (that is one of the major differences in the 1 & 2 plane swings) , but let the force of the body turn bring them down. Neither does he say transfer weight to your left big toe on the downswing. Anyone have any thoughts on these wo things.

[LowPost42]

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I don't think your arms should drop - there's nowhere for them to drop from, without causing problems.

Since you're already bent over more in the 1PS, and you're rotating your shoulders around your spine, your arm should just ride on your chest - without energy - and let your body turn move your arms.

If your arms move away from your body prematurely (because you're manipulating them), you can hit fat (most of the time) or you have to flip your wrists and stand up to avoid it.

As far as weight shift is concerned, I personally don't think about it. My concentration is keeping my spine in place throughout the swing, and keeping my arms and hands loose.

[irhyper2]

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I don't think your arms should drop - there's nowhere for them to drop from, without causing problems.

Since you're already bent over more in the 1PS, and you're rotating your shoulders around your spine, your arm should just ride on your chest - without energy - and let your body turn move your arms.

If your arms move away from your body prematurely (because you're manipulating them), you can hit fat (most of the time) or you have to flip your wrists and stand up to avoid it.

As far as weight shift is concerned, I personally don't think about it. My concentration is keeping my spine in place throughout the swing, and keeping my arms and hands loose.

Thanks I agree with you 100%.

[auldyn]

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