Clubhead passing the hands

[MPLAVLEGL]

Re: Clubhead passing the hands

One of the causes of flipping the hands is the body stops turning through impact. The wrists break down as the arms keep moving but the body does not. Try to finish after impact facing the target with you right foot on its toe and your shoulders square to the target. It takes practice but works very well.

[mariner]

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Maybe you could combine Greg's RHD with the "pump it" drill.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/72052...secret+to+golf

The light at the end of the tunnel is back again! With a combination of greg`s RH drill, the "pump it " drill and Greg Norman`s secret, I`m starting to see it . . . . just one thing, I`m not sure what is meant by "club shaft should be bisecting the forearm" in the pump it drill?

[Started2k3]

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"Bisect" is probably a poor word choice.

What you want is the shaft of the club to be in line (or slightly above) the back forearm when you are in the 6/100 position.

On Redgoat's tour swings:
Look at Chad Campbell (single plane) and Chris DiMarco (2-plane) in the 6/100 position. You will notice that the shaft is almost in the same position in relation to the back forearm for both of them.

[acepepper]

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What is the 6/100 position?

[Started2k3]

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Check:
http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/v...ead.php?t=3648

[Simon Woo]

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That's what I'm trying to figure out too. If you can see from my snapshot, the shaft is above the forearm and in no way "bisecting" it. (To put it in clearer terms, bisecting means if you are looking at that snapshot, the shaft should be covering the forearm). What I'm curious is, using our normal video cameras, how would I know that the snapshot is at the 6/100 instant???

[Started2k3]

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That's what I'm trying to figure out too. If you can see from my snapshot, the shaft is above the forearm and in no way "bisecting" it. (To put it in clearer terms, bisecting means if you are looking at that snapshot, the shaft should be covering the forearm). What I'm curious is, using our normal video cameras, how would I know that the snapshot is at the 6/100 instant???

Using a "normal" camera, there is probably not a chance in hell of getting the snapshot at the 6/100 instant.

One thing to try would be to video your "pump it" drill. Since this is a slower swing it will at least let you know that you are getting to the 6/100 position during the drill.

[Simon Woo]

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Thanks. Just to clarify, the pump drill means you pull your hands vertically dow, or something like putting the butt end of the club towards the ball? I tried to do that, couldn't hit the ball for nuts

[mont86]

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I love looking at the videos, I'm getting a mental picture of what should be happening during the swing. Carry on fellas

[ubizmo]

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You know what's wierd? I started doing the pumping drill on my own this past couple of weeks. I just started doing it to ingrain the feeling of holding off the release. I just clicked on this video and it's exactly what I came to on my own.

And yes, it works.

Doubly weird...I started doing the same. It's been way too cold in Philly for golf, so I've been practicing indoors, just working on posture and form. And for whatever reason I found myself doing this pumping drill, working on bringing the club and trailing forearm to a 90 degree angle, with the club parallel to the ground and to the target line. Easy to check visually. And when I do it, it feels like everything else is where it should be: hips are turning, etc. In fact, I think this drill precisely rehearses Pennick's "secret move" of bringing the trail elbow back to the body.

Does it work? Dunno yet. But it's supposed to be in the 50s on Saturday (thank you Santa!) and I mean to find out. But I'm optimistic. I work with Greg's right-hand drill but had trouble retaining it for the full swing; I think the pumping drill is the other piece of the puzzle, for those of us who have trouble keeping the hands ahead and using the hips properly.

[Simon Woo]

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I've also been practising in the room practically everyday, and yes it does feel good and powerful and all the right postures are there too. But once I get to the range, with a ball right there, everything changes. I suspect one common problem faced by many people doing this drill (or any that promotes lag) is that they will initially find it hard to get the club closed back to square at impact. I ended up pushing the slicing the balls - didn't feel anywhere as good as it did in front of the mirror without a ball Also didn't end up with the nice square shoulders and right toes. I think it's because I ended up focusing too much on trying to hit the ball.

[bahamaman]

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I have been using the Greg Norman Secret for a couple of months now. Get swing aid. The purpose of this aid is due delay the wristcock longer while making a full shoulder rotation. This will not help you on a flop shot. More often enough, I find myself on either side of the green and a bunker to fly because of an inaccurate approach shot. You must pop the ball in the air far enough that it lands soft and doesn't roll past the pin or worse. Michelson is the king. It's the same as a sand shot. Open up the clubface, then re-grip the club. Stand bow-legged with the right knee facing hard right. This gives enough room for the arms to extend back farther on the backswing. Then full follow thru. This shot must be practiced religiously until you are blue in the face...

[barney44]

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Everyone wants drill to fix a golf problem, and the silly TV golf gurus always have one in there bag of tricks. But, do they really ever fix anything ?
I think drills are basically worthless when it comes to fixing a swing flaw. You repetitiously perform a correct swing motion 3 hours a day for the next 3 years, and then tee up a ball and expect to execute the swing according to the drill. It just doesn't happen. Why, because your brain now realizes that there is ball in front of you, and you actually have to hit it. And, the brain has been conditioned to perform this feat from past experiences of actually swinging at the ball. If you could incorporate the drill into the process of actually hitting a ball, maybe it could be helpfull. Your mind is a powerfull instrument and has a great influence on your body's motor movements - evidenced by the difference between the average golfer's practice swing and the one he uses to hit a ball.
So, how does one fix a wrist flipping problem at impact ? It's usually a sympton of other swing problems, such starting the downswing wrong, using the hands to early, and not finishing the hip turn.
Incidenly, the 'Secret' which forces the trailing wrist to remain in a cupped position is in my opinion a worthwhile training device. There is also a device that prevents the leading wrist from breaking down at impact. These devices can actually be used when hitting a ball. The impact bag can give you the proper impact position and feedback feeling, but, of cource, only from a practice swing scenario.

[Neil18]

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Stop the hands flipping?

Learn how to hit a punch.

Most peoples punch shots will fly as high as a good players mid trajectory shot.

Learn the punch, then incorporate the punch action through impact into your full swing.

I prefer drills involving hitting balls too.

[pgmetcalf]

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I like to envisage the back of my left hand getting to the ball and to the end of the swing before the club head does. I find concentrating on this stops me thinking about what the club head is doing and it feels a lot smoother too.