One plane swing and two plane swing

[RichieWinch]

Hi, what are the characteristics of the 1ps and 2ps? I think i read a 1 plane swing has an inside take away? I'm interested to know which one is better the 1ps or the 2ps?
http://www.winchester.eclipse.co.uk/...lf%20video.3gp pasted my swing here, is this a 1ps/2ps or a bit of both?

Rich

[Neil18]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Yo Richie.

Who-so-ever stated that a one plane swing has an inside take away, probably also enjoys listening to Graham Le Saux commentate and thinks he has a lot of useful stuff to say about football. You can take the club waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay outside and still have a 2ps.

The difference between a 1ps and 2ps is very simple. In a 1ps the club is on exactly the same plane in the backswing as it is in the downswing and throughswing. Ernie Els has a 1ps.

A 2ps is more like the old Sergio Garcia swing. The club and arms go back on one plane and come down on another.

You therefore cannot have "a bit of both". It's either got 1 plane, or two planes. If you've got more than 2 planes, you need to pick another sport and MAY not even come from earth.

As far as I can tell from the vid, yours is a 2ps. Nut only by a few inches - your backswing is margianlly flatter than your dwonswing.******

I may open up a can of worms by stating that a 1ps is more desirable than a 2ps. To swing a golf club correctly, everyone has their own ideal swing plane. Not two. Just one each. Let's not get greedy! We all only have one height measurement, and that doesn't (shouldn't!) change during the swing. Having a different swing plane than the one you started with can only be born of and lead to some serious compensations to hit the ball straight. Rarely good and totally unreliable. How many "club rerouters" out there have had a sustained period of good ball striking, I wonder? I would venture, not as many 1ps-ers.

Keep it real. Keep it simple. Keep it 1ps.

Over and out.

N18

****** If you want me to relate this to what we were talking about earlier in the week re your backswing, what will happen is that your backswing will get steeper (not steep, just steeper!) which is what you're after to get rid of that flatness. Should even turn you into a one-planer! Happy days! (sorry for the late edit if you read the first post. I'm ill at the moment and get confused very easily!)

[Neil18]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

One other small thing I've just seen on your vid (if you don't mind me looking and commenting) which may explain that occasional pushy, slicy thing that you stated you get, and I know I used to get -

Leave your shoulders turned at the top. Your shoulders seem to be one of the first things to go into the downswing which will, even fractionally, push your club outside the line on the way down - hence slice if you keep the clubface square/open or pull if it's closed.

The way I got round it was to practice dropping my left arm down from the top of the swing before anything else moved. I'm only talking a foot - 18 inches, but it's enough to keep from looping over the top.

Try it iff you like. If not. Don't! Merely an observation sir.

Now where's my Benilyn?!

[nickwbryant]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Neil - i know you are very knowledgable about the swing but the golf history books are filled with 2ps golfers who were amazing strikers and as you put it - re-routed the club - Nicklaus, Watson, Trevino, Woods (old swing when he actually hit fairways) and on and on.

Having read Hardy's (dull) book I think the definition of one plane and two plane is that in 1ps the arms and shoulders are in the same plane (roughly) and in the 2ps the arms are higher than the shoulder plane. So to me Rich looks like he is nearer to 1ps than 2ps (hence he swings a touch flat).

Personally i think this 1ps and 2ps thing is a little over rated. You can be either depending on how you set up at address (of course you are likely to be better at one than the other!)

nick

PS i love that start down idea! will give that a go

[Neil18]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Rich! You've opened up a can of worms here, son! We can't even decide on the definition of a one or two plane swing! Both seem feasible definitions to me.


Nick - using the definition put forward by your good self, can you give an example of a one plane swinger?

I've just been through a lot of pro golf swings and can find nobody who is a one plane swinger on your definition! But I can find plenty of one and two plane swingers under mine!

Not saying who's right or wrong, just wanna see someone swing a golf club on the same angle as their shoulder tilt. Everybody's arm angle I've looked at has been steeper than their shoulders.

N18

PS - see I'd call Nicklaus swing a one planer!

[GoNavy]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

I see One plane swing as someone who remains on the same shaft plane line throughtout the swing with the club,

Two plane swinger, the club will leave the shaft plane line half way through the backswing swing, then regain that line in the downswing.

Nicklaus is most diffinately a 2PS.

[shootin4par]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

I see One plane swing as someone who remains on the same shaft plane line throughtout the swing with the club,

Two plane swinger, the club will leave the shaft plane line half way through the backswing swing, then regain that line in the downswing.

Nicklaus is most diffinately a 2PS.

I would be interested in you posting a link to a swing sequence of someone who does your one plane description, you wont find it

[GoNavy]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

I would be interested in you posting a link to a swing sequence of someone who does your one plane description, you wont find it

Here is a golf digest article, with picture http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...ingplane1.html

The single plane on the left, every thing is on the same plane set at address, two plane your note has different angles, he has left the shaft plane line, but will regain it.

[shootin4par]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Here is a golf digest article, with picture http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...ingplane1.html

The single plane on the left, every thing is on the same plane set at address, two plane your note has different angles, he has left the shaft plane line, but will regain it.

go and look on page one, the first photo of the one plane at the top with a driver. you mean to tell me that shaft plane is the same as it was at address, i dont think so The angle of that shaft is around 4 feet outside of the ball. The "one plane swing" is the relation of the left arm and shoulder, NO ONE swings the shaft on one plane back and through

[lukeworm]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

I would define a 1-plane swing as where the shaft maintains its angle to the ball throughout the swing. This is not to say the club shaft stays on the same plane, it's not possible. Instead, it stays on a series of parallel planes, the highest one being your left arm at the top of your swing, lowest one being at address. The main trick to it is folding the right arm correctly.

[GoNavy]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

I would define a 1-plane swing as where the shaft maintains its angle to the ball throughout the swing. This is not to say the club shaft stays on the same plane, it's not possible. Instead, it stays on a series of parallel planes, the highest one being your left arm at the top of your swing, lowest one being at address. The main trick to it is folding the right arm correctly.

Exactly, ShootingPar is playing semantics here, I can.t help it if you interpret what I say incorrectly, and decide to put his own spin on it. If on the first picture they would have shown that guy on the left at address, I guarantee the shaft plane would be the same angle that his shoulder and hands are in at the top, going back that shaft would also have been on the angle, the clubs would simply be inverted. Every thing remains on that same plane angle.

Let look at Vijay, at address look at the shaft plane, halfway back still on plane, at the top same plane with shoulder, arms, and hands.

[GoNavy]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Here is David Toms, two plane. Shaft plane at address, half way back he has left the shaft plane line, at the top arms and shoulders are in different planes.

[shootin4par]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Vj looks under that plane, Toms actually looks on that plane and toms arm at the top looks on that plane. His shoulders do not though. Like I said, It is the arm shoulder relationship that defines one or two plane according to hardy.

[shootin4par]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Exactly, ShootingPar is playing semantics here, I can.t help it if you interpret what I say incorrectly, and decide to put his own spin on it.

just like I cant help it if you write it incorectly and then blame me. If you want to describe it accurately for how you think, then say the shaft angle remains parallel to the angle at address, that is an accurate description of what you are saying.

[GoNavy]

Re: One plane swing and two plane swing

Vj looks under that plane, Toms actually looks on that plane

That is why I said we are talking semantics here..i.e we are using two different definition of plane. you are, I believe, looking at the plane from the ball to shoulders, I am refering to the shaft plane as established at address, it is even drawn on the pictures for us (The line of the shaft at address going through VJ's midsection). These lines are parallel. His club is touching this line halfway back. At the top his arm/shoulders are parallel to that line again. This is what is meant by on plane throughout the swing.