Please check my swing plane

[peter3]

Re: Please check my swing plane

Never heard it, and very funny.

I think so too. It doesn't mean that I think your advice was bad, but everyone already understood that I hope?

[shootin4par]

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simon, the right wrist CUPS back, it is not supposed to hinge. The right wrist cups, the left wrist cocks.

[GoBucks]

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Simon,

work on one thing at a time. agree with maintaining the spine angle. One thing that might help is to stick your butt out at address and keep it there througout the swing. If you notice the line from your legs through your butt straight.

Ditto. Just act like you are sitting on an invisible stool. And you may want to try more of an upright swing (although that swing is not for everyone). My swing is upright and in comparison to the 2nd frame of your swing I try to position the end (handle) of the club (on my swing) so that it's pointing to the target in that position (your handle end seems to be pointing slightly inside of your target). Anyway hope that helps!

[msklar92]

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when you stick out your butt at address, you may feel some tension in the lower back. this is fine.

[Simon Woo]

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simon, the right wrist CUPS back, it is not supposed to hinge. The right wrist cups, the left wrist cocks.

I need to get this clarified. I remember seeing this in Greg's right hand drill, the right wrist is supposed to cock up on the backswing and uncock on the downswing, no?

This has actually come across my mind before. The hands work together. When I cock my right wrist, it seems like my left wrist will hinge. Anyway I think I might really be overdoing the wrists, so I'll just try to take it easy on them. I noticed that in the pros iron backswing (taken from V1 Home), they don't go back that far - only to about slightly more than my 3rd frame swing sequence. So perhaps I am really trying to overdo the top of my backswing and wrists and it's really breaking the swing down?

Wonder if you guys have any swing videos of yourself to share so I can run it through V1 home. If you want, I can help to do a similar swing sequence for you too

[Simon Woo]

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Thanks for all your comments on the spine and angle and right knee. I know that's something I need to work on, actually thought I had that pretty worked out (think I was just nervous to get the shot for the camera heh). Actually if that video was anything to go by, it looks like my head has not really gone up but my butt has gone in and my right leg has straightened. Is that combination even possible in the first place?

As for the wrists. I'm now wondering, could it be that I am 1) not cupping the right wrist enough 2) over cocking the right wrist 3) basically just overdoing my backswing?

[shootin4par]

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simon, first, if you take care of the spine angle you should not have to worry about fixing the right knee. Golf is cause and effect, A LOT of times the right knee is the effect of the spine angle, so focusing on right knee can be unecessary. Second, right wrist cups and the right elbow bend allows the left wrist to cock, OR the left wrist cocking bends the right elbow. On that one you can go either way, but it is one or the other. So the sequence goes, right wrist CUPS, left wrist cocks or right elbow folds. That spine angle is the BIGGEST need!!!!, Trust me on this one

[Simon Woo]

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Embarassing! :P

I've a lesson on Fri. Will take another video, bearing in mind :

1. More knee flex at address
2. Lower and keep spine angle throughout swing
3. Less backswing (hopefully leading to point 4)
4. Flat left wrist

I'll be back on Fri with an update!

[shootin4par]

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Embarassing! :P

I've a lesson on Fri. Will take another video, bearing in mind :

1. More knee flex at address
2. Lower and keep spine angle throughout swing
3. Less backswing (hopefully leading to point 4)
4. Flat left wrist

I'll be back on Fri with an update!

Simon,
1. you dont need more knee flex at address
2. take care of this and it will take care of number 3
3. took care of that in number 2
4. cupping right wrist will help take care of this

no need to be embarrassed. I went out and shot a 75 on sunday, turned around and went to the range and SHANKED 3/5 of my first shots. Golf is crazy and not easy. when keeping spine angle you need to keep the LOWER back straight. not the whole back but the lower back. feel good posture at address, now turn to the top and put yourself in the same position in relation to the lower back. now make swings while maintaining that same lower back position. Golf takes time and patience. BTW, no need for a lesson, you are getting one now

[msklar92]

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to repeat,
to get into the proper spine angle, tilt from the hips and stick your butt out and keep it there until the very end of the follow through.

you do not want to start flexing your knees with an up right posture - thats death to the golf swing.

[shootin4par]

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to repeat,
to get into the proper spine angle, tilt from the hips and stick your butt out and keep it there until the very end of the follow through.

you do not want to start flexing your knees with an up right posture - thats death to the golf swing.

I concur

[Simon Woo]

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Got it. I think I know what you guys mean. It's kinda like how a gorilla stands, with the butt sticking out obscenely, right? :P

I'm still a bit confused regarding the right wrist. I know I should cup it (didn't look very cup in my swing sequence huh?), but I always thought we are supposed to cock it too (Greg's right hand drill)? I think it's that extra effort to cock the right wrist that has been cupping my left wrist?

And a big thanks shootin4par and the rest of you guys for the valuable lessons I'm picking up everyday here

[shootin4par]

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Got it. I think I know what you guys mean. It's kinda like how a gorilla stands, with the butt sticking out obscenely, right? :P
Or the way certain girls look when you watch that special movie

I'm still a bit confused regarding the right wrist. I know I should cup it (didn't look very cup in my swing sequence huh?), but I always thought we are supposed to cock it too (Greg's right hand drill)? I think it's that extra effort to cock the right wrist that has been cupping my left wrist?
possibly, cup the right wrist first, it MAY cock a little when the left wrist does

And a big thanks shootin4par and the rest of you guys for the valuable lessons I'm picking up everyday here

If you learn from something I said then thank you

[Simon Woo]

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Sorry guys looks like I was not able to make the changes today during lesson. I thought I did, but the video seems to tell a different story

I'm puzzled with one thing.. In the videos of my swing, I have already kept my head level, so how is it possible that my hip can still move towards the ball?

http://www.eys.com.sg/simon/simon sw...24 4w back.mpg

http://www.eys.com.sg/simon/simon sw...4 4w front.mpg

[pnearn]

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Looking at the one from the back Simon, you are bringing the club too far to the inside at the start of your backswing and then lifting it up where it is still across the line. You dont get a lot of extension back either

From address try and turn your head a fraction to the right so your left eye looks at the ball (this will give you a tiny weight shift) and then focus on using the chest (the bit right under your head..the sternum) to turn the triangle and stop when the club is parallel. It should look something like this. Even better if you can feel really extended in the arms from here (but without swaying) since that is setting up a wide arc

http://www.golfpro-online.com/tuition/hints/vent5.html

Where the shaft is pointing along the front of your feer directly at the target and the clubhead is level with or even a little in front of your hands. By this point you are inside and the shaft is pointing to the right of the target, clubhead behind your hands. From there you lift it into the across the line position. Once you master that takeaway then just concentrate on maintaining the flex in the right knee and turning those shoulders such that at the top your left arm is across your right shoulder and the club is pointing down the line (or slightly laid off if you dont get parallel). Your downswing is over the top so you are probably still hitting pulls and slices but it has to be from where you are at the top. Once you get it on plane at the top that same downswing move you do will be better

Look at ernies takeaway here

http://www.golfpro-online.com/tuition/hints/vent5.html

And how it is just a turn of the shoulders from there to the top whilst staying in the posture. Id keep practicing that with a mirror and no ball until you are sure you are doing it right. Feel its the chest/shoulders sweeping the triangle away, not your hands and arms pulling it inside

You do a great job of clearing your hips in the downswing though so perhaps you could give me advice on how best to do that!