How do ya'll start the the backswing?I was starting with shoulder rotation pushing arms/hands back yesterday while keeping hips still until they have to turn from shoulder rotation and made more great shots on that 9 holes than i have in a while..If i get a little fast with it though it gets wrecked.Must keep it slow.Just couldnt get any consistentcy moving the arms/hands back first.
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Originally posted by spankitHow do ya'll start the the backswing?I was starting with shoulder rotation pushing arms/hands back yesterday while keeping hips still until they have to turn from shoulder rotation and made more great shots on that 9 holes than i have in a while..If i get a little fast with it though it gets wrecked.Must keep it slow.Just couldnt get any consistentcy moving the arms/hands back first.
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Interesting you brought this up. I was just advised by another member of GTO to try the drill of using only the left arm to swing. What I realised was that without the right arm, the only way I was strong enough to take away (and do the back swing) was feeling as though my shoulder and chest were first going back and bringing the left arm along. I guess this is what is called the one-piece takeaway.
I then realised that I have been using a lot of my right arm/hand in my normal takeaway because the feeling is totally different. I'm not sure if that's considered a wrong takeaway?Last edited by Simon Woo; 03-27-2006, 07:21 AM.
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Neither the left arm or the right arm should dominate the takeaway. As you found spank, the correct motion is to feel as if your shoulders are turning your triangle whilst your hips resist. Dont overdo this resistance though as they have to come round a little bit. I like to feel a very small shift of weight into the inside of my right foot/leg and an extension of my triange as far off the ball as I can without swaying. You get this by keeping the clun close to the ground for as long as you can. If you use one or other of the arms you will lose this extension (arc) and pick the club up too quickly (either inside or outside)
Again need to do this a lot without a ball to 'feel' how the body sweeps the triangle away, feel the extension halfway back and feel the lower body resisting some
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Spank the Monkey,
I use my arms to take the club back in the back swing. Speed is good on the down swing (not the first motion down though) - accelarate through. Have a nice balanced finish. If you're too quick you can't finish balanced.
cheers
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Originally posted by pnearnNeither the left arm or the right arm should dominate the takeaway. As you found spank, the correct motion is to feel as if your shoulders are turning your triangle whilst your hips resist. Dont overdo this resistance though as they have to come round a little bit. I like to feel a very small shift of weight into the inside of my right foot/leg and an extension of my triange as far off the ball as I can without swaying. You get this by keeping the clun close to the ground for as long as you can. If you use one or other of the arms you will lose this extension (arc) and pick the club up too quickly (either inside or outside)
Again need to do this a lot without a ball to 'feel' how the body sweeps the triangle away, feel the extension halfway back and feel the lower body resisting some
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You know I did try that right forearm pickup and it did work OK but somehow it just didnt feel 'right' to me. I couldnt work the ball with it at all and it didnt give me that feeling of a full coil and width at the top. Maybe I wasnt doing it correctly but then I cant find any good instruction for it (and im not paying that Manzella bloke for his videos)
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Great point shoot, I was just wondering the same thing myself. Probably the only 2 things that seemed very prominent were that with the left arm takeaway, the shoulder has to go first and the left arm stays very connected to the body.
If you use a right arm takeaway, it actually seems to be less difficult to get to the top of the backswing. But if you already know and can feel what that position is supposed to be (eg. Right knee flexed, spine still tilted, left arm extended, shoulder and hips turned their respective degrees back etc etc), what is the real main selling point that the takeaway has to be left arm dominated?
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I would be a little hesitate to recommend to anyone using the right hand for takeway. Because several killer swing things can happen, one - jerky takeway, too quick. Two - pulling the club to far inside. Three- puts your right hand/arm in control of the swing, never a good idea. Using the left arm prevents most of these things, the right hand/arm really just provides some support, and a small percentage of power just before impact. Good example, watch John Daly, he makes it part of his practice to hit left hand only wedges, hit them about 100 yds..lol..probably better then most people using two hands. It builds up muscle, forces a smooth slow take away and swing (key word here is take away), and reminds him to keep his right out of it. Improves swing path, forces a flat left wrist to make solid contact. Just many good things happen.
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Originally posted by pnearnYou know I did try that right forearm pickup and it did work OK but somehow it just didnt feel 'right' to me. I couldnt work the ball with it at all and it didnt give me that feeling of a full coil and width at the top. Maybe I wasnt doing it correctly but then I cant find any good instruction for it (and im not paying that Manzella bloke for his videos)
http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/for...?TOPIC_ID=3204
I kind of like Manzella - I spent quite a bit of time in Louisiana and he quite typical of some of the lads down there!
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The main problem I had with the right forearm takeaway was not feeling the width I wanted and also creating tension in my right arm. im not a good enough player to put tension in my arms at the top and remove it on the way down. I like to feel a nice tension free backswing and downswing and I can only get that with a shoulder coil
Each to their own I guess
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When I'm swing well, I generally feel the left shoulder area take the club away. it probably goes back to when I was younger and had a pro have me hit balls with the left arm only. I think the thinking back then was that golf is a left sided game for right handed. But even today, VJ practices with a head cover under the left arm which helps to maintain the connection of the left side throughout the swing.
I have tried right sided swing thoughts, which also work at times, but it seems I eventually start lunging at the ball.
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Originally posted by pnearnThe main problem I had with the right forearm takeaway was not feeling the width I wanted and also creating tension in my right arm. im not a good enough player to put tension in my arms at the top and remove it on the way down. I like to feel a nice tension free backswing and downswing and I can only get that with a shoulder coil
Each to their own I guess
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Shootin. Tks for the response. Always appreciate your views. I think its almost certain I wasnt performing the move correctly as you say. It felt like I had no turn just a lift of the arms, and I saw no real increase in distance
Could you explain how to put this move together? How to feel its right?
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