Hands further away from body at impact

[koonl]

If you look at my hand position at address to when it's at impact, you can see quite a bit of difference. I believe this is what is causing my out-to-in swing, and also causing my swing to be too rounded, causing the occasional hook. What causes this?

How can this corrected? What feeling do I need to have to get my hands close to the original position at impact? No matter how much I try getting the hands to this position, it never really does when I review on the video.

[chessbum]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Dear Koonl,

One thing I notice too, that is problematical, is in picture #4. During this position in your downswing, you will notice that the club is above your forearm. This is incorrect. The correct position is for the club to be directly over your forearm.

I think this indicates you are coming over the top and prevents you from striking the ball correctly. I would play with this a little and see what happens when you work on having your club come over your forearm in the downswing. I think you can practice this in slowmo to get the feel of it first.

Good luck,

Chessbum...

[doogkie]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

also at impact you have almost no hip rotation you are supposed to be able to see your arse at impact

when your hips are in the way it is hard to come from the inside

[koonl]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Yeah, no hip rotation - I had the opposite problem last year with too much hip rotation causing the hands and clubhead to get "stuck" behind me, leading to blocks and hooks. I started to swing with quieter hips to let the hands catch up, but looks like the rotation is getting a bit too slow now. My friend mentioned your same comments last week.

Do you think the upper body rotation is ok, I know the pics are a bit dark, but are you supposed to see more of my left shoulder at impact?

Thanks

[doogkie]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

it might be a tad too open, but that will fix when you get them hips outta the way

[msklar92]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

postion # 4 is fine. the club is supposed to bisect the upper forearm on the downswing. if you are hooking occaisionally, you might want to check your grip - can't see it from this view. a hook can also be caused by hanging back on the right side - forcing the hands to flip over at impact.

[koonl]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Any ideas how to get the shaft to bisect the right forearm? Is it a slight rotation of the forearms, grip change (I have 2 1/2 knuckles showing on the left hand - see pic), or by some other adjustment from the top of the swing?

Thanks

[Simon Woo]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Can't really be sure, but it seems like your hands are too near to your thighs (at address) in the first place?

[koonl]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Yeah, I know - it was a quick change that I did, not my normal stance. Despite this, I don't think this is the issue - I've always had the problem for the past 5 years, and the hand position didn't seem to affect it.

Thanks for pointing it out, glad you agree with me on this one

[Simon Woo]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Sorry koonl maybe I misunderstood your first post. I thought you were referring to the position of your hands, that's why I commented that they seemed a bit too close to your body at address. If you were referring to the direction of the hands and wrist instead, then I'm not sure too but it looks like your clubhead is very closed at address, so in order to get them square at impact, you would have had to rotate your hands/forearms. You might like to get someone to stand opposite you and check you clubhead at address (really can't tell for sure from the pic but thought I saw something there that might be a bit off).

Hope you don't mind some observations from a beginner, you are free to take or discard anything I say cos I can't guarantee they are right either :P

Cheers!

[GoNavy]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

My guess would be you are losing your left hand grip because it is incorrect, or losing you leverage to be more precise. If you read my article on "Whats the deal with the grip" you will see what I am talking about. In you picture I can see the top of the club, if the heel pad was on top as it should be, I would not be seeing this. Your V is pointed in the right direction, but without the proper heel pad position, it is a fake left hand V position, your way promotes all kinds of wrist rolling, improper wrist action, and the most damaging - no leverage. Try correcting this left hand and see if it corrects your other problem. Good Luck.

I have attched a picture to compare, you and the Greg provided in his lessons. Note the line out for the shaft, greg heelpad and wrist are over this extended shaft, your are not, this does make a difference. I have also circled where your heelpad is at, over on the side of the shaft, needs to be ontop.

[msklar92]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

agree with go Navy. in addition your right hand grip is too much in the palm of the hand. should be more in the fingers.

[koonl]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Ok - will give this a try tommorow and update you all!

Thanks

[koonl]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Right, I went down the range today to sort out that left grip - I've attached a picture - is this better? It feels as if the hand is now on top of the shaft, rather than to the left side (looking from above).

Don't think it directly sorts out the steep downswing discussed earlier, but feels that I can now feel the shaft resting on the thumb on the top of the swing.

Please can you also comment on the shaft on the way down, does this look flatter, and is the hip turning enough now at impact, or too much?

Thanks

[GoNavy]

Re: Hands further away from body at impact

Much better, the only change you might make, and it is a small one, is the right hand, red arrow shows you pointing with the V of the right hand, towards your chin or close to it, try the blue line more towards the right shoulder. The swing I think looks excellent, top of swing position is good, hands/arms under shaft, flat left wrist, and clubface is square. Downswing angle also looks OK, shaft is on plane with setup. If you feel you are too upright, simply setup at address a fraction further from the ball, standing close makes you swing upright, further away flatens it out some, This is why the driver swing is flatter then a wedge swing, with the wedge you are closer, and gradually move further away until you reach the driver. But remember, with swing adjustments swinging flatter require you to alter your ball position more towards the center of the stance, swinging upright you need to move more towards your left foot. The best way to figure out ball position for YOUR swing is just make practice swings and see where your divots end up, use the divots, and place the ball just behind where it starts, for irons. With driver and fairway woods, you will just need to experiemnt too find the bast ball position, good rule of thumb is two inch off the left instep. I even do this during play, you may not notice you are uphill/downhill, this little drill will show you where you need to adjust for solid contact. Good luck, swing looks good.