Inside out swing plane

[Panthergolfer2224]

How do i create a more of a inside out swing plane. Sometimes i feel like im taking away the club with my arms rather than my shoulders too.

[GregJWillis]

Re: Inside out swing plane

"Swing Path" and the "Swing Plane" are different terms. You are either a 1 or 2 plane swinger, and will not change that during a round, or even a lifetime. Swing path on the other hand will change from swing to swing and affects the flight of the ball at will.

So that in mind, how do you get an inside out path? By taking the club more "in" to your chest with your arms during the takeaway, and more out away from your chest into impact.

If you are already having a problem with the relationship between your shouders and arms, this can cause a problem. Shoulders have to be first and formost in the takaway. The arms do not move 1 inch for the first 12 inches or so as the first move back. They do however, go for a ride because the shoulders have caused them to move, but the arms in respect to just themselves, do not cause the club to go back.

To get a insideout path now, you really do not have to do anything. The shape of a circle is now the natural path the clube will take. This is probably all that has to change for you. But...if you are still having a problem after making this adjustment...then allow the arms to press slightly into the chest as you go back and raise to the top. Not a lot, just slightly. Then think about letting the arms push out and away from you as you swing through.

[Broadus]

Re: Inside out swing plane

If you are already having a problem with the relationship between your shouders and arms, this can cause a problem. Shoulders have to be first and formost in the takaway. The arms do not move 1 inch for the first 12 inches or so as the first move back. They do however, go for a ride because the shoulders have caused them to move, but the arms in respect to just themselves, do not cause the club to go back.

Greg,

I don't understand. How do the arms not move 1 inch for the first 12 inches of the backswing? Could you elaborate?

Is this a distinction from those swings which emphasize the arms, such as Leslie King (for instance, at http://www.golf-swing-instruction-ti...kswing_03.html?
Thanks.

Bill

[GregJWillis]

Re: Inside out swing plane

Move your arms in your takaway...just the arms. See how they have to be pressed against the chest and you go back?

Now, just rotate the shoulders back. See how the arms "get" moved?

That's the difference.

[Broadus]

Re: Inside out swing plane

So you're saying to keep your arms "still" and simply "move" them by rotating your shoulders (sorry for seeming so dense)?

If that's the case, would your active moving of the arms be to raise the club and not to swing it around?

Thanks,
Bill

[GregJWillis]

Re: Inside out swing plane

Yes, that is a good statement..."raise" the arms. Shoulders put the arms in a position to be lifted up and down by rotating 90 degrees back. And the wrists for that matter as well go with the arms's general movements of up and down.

[Broadus]

Re: Inside out swing plane

To go into the forward swing then, do you simply drop your arms before you commence your forward shoulder movement? Is this what "dropping in the slot" means?

Bill

[Panthergolfer2224]

Re: Inside out swing plane

Some people cant get full shoulder turns, then what? Also i try to focus on taking the club around my body, is that a good thing?

[GregJWillis]

Re: Inside out swing plane

If your shoulders are inhibited by flexability, add more hip turn back with them. This reduces the tension in the lower back...your timing will need to be a bit more refined, but if you work it out, it is a "throw back" style that does work.

[Panthergolfer2224]

Re: Inside out swing plane

Does your lower body lead, then the arms drop or all does it all work fluidly together?

[Broadus]

Re: Inside out swing plane

Greg,

Did you catch my questions at post 7? Thanks.

Bill

[GregJWillis]

Re: Inside out swing plane

Does your lower body lead, then the arms drop or all does it all work fluidly together?

Lower body leads, then the shoulders then the arms and last the hands. But know that this is a sequence that cannot be forced to be timed. Having to think about each action, doing that action and expecting the timing to be right is impossible.

What happens is that you trigger the downswing with a weightshift to the front. That's about it. All the rest will follow like a whip.

[GregJWillis]

Re: Inside out swing plane

To go into the forward swing then, do you simply drop your arms before you commence your forward shoulder movement? Is this what "dropping in the slot" means?

Bill

Not exactly, the shoulders rotate and that will cause the arms to drop. So you are not forcing them to drop, they just fall from the top.

Bobby Jones' acceleration was measured at 9.8 meters/sec. Most of this was the ability to let the acceleration happen naturally (force of gravity...and back then shafts were not able to withstand too much stress).

It shounds like you are getting very detailed and worried about order and sequence. Get the tension out of your swing first. Start to let your body be the one to dictate the power you are able to control, and not the other way around...where you want max power and are looking for the solution on how to control that. Power comes from every part doing their full range of motion in a smooth easy sequence. Start by turning off your brain, and let the sequence happen naturally, feeling this happen.

[Broadus]

Re: Inside out swing plane

Lower body leads, then the shoulders then the arms and last the hands. But know that this is a sequence that cannot be forced to be timed. Having to think about each action, doing that action and expecting the timing to be right is impossible.

What happens is that you trigger the downswing with a weightshift to the front. That's about it. All the rest will follow like a whip.

So the club's "dropping in the slot" is simply part of an "unthinking" process, not an action which one performs directly?

Also, after a poster pointed me to your right-hand cup lesson, I was wondering if focusing upon cupping the right hand is linked to dropping the clubhead properly. It seems, if I am understanding this correctly, that the cupped right hand "forces" one to come from the inside. Is that correct, or am I missing something (or a lot!)?

Thanks again for your patient answers.

Bill

[Broadus]

Re: Inside out swing plane

It shounds like you are getting very detailed and worried about order and sequence. Get the tension out of your swing first. Start to let your body be the one to dictate the power you are able to control, and not the other way around...where you want max power and are looking for the solution on how to control that. Power comes from every part doing their full range of motion in a smooth easy sequence. Start by turning off your brain, and let the sequence happen naturally, feeling this happen.

You're right--I do think too much about the process. I think it's because I believe there is some something that I'm missing in obtaining consistent contact. I do need to turn off my brain but am unsuccessful in finding the switch! I suspect that I have ingrained wrong thoughts and am trying to undo them.

Thanks again, Greg, for your help and patience.

Bill