Swing Setter or Refiner???

[Keith Tobberman]

Hello,
I am wondering which training aid, the Swing Setter, or the Refiner would be better to cure both a slice and bad hand positioning throught the swing. (bad position of wrist at impact is the worst of this hand positioning).

-thanks

[Shredder]

Re: Swing Setter or Refiner???

Hi Keith! I been using the swingsetter and I been hitting them straighter. I also got the swing glove to practice. With them both, I think it is helping my swing big time.


Hope that answers your question..

sean

[Keith Tobberman]

Re: Swing Setter or Refiner???

Awesome, thanks a lot for the advice!

[Theologic]

Re: Swing Setter or Refiner???

Hello,
I am wondering which training aid, the Swing Setter, or the Refiner would be better to cure both a slice and bad hand positioning throught the swing. (bad position of wrist at impact is the worst of this hand positioning).

-thanks

Yes, I have both:

The Swingsetter is tempo tool and a grip tool. If you have a good release, it can help you strengthen your release. If you chickwing and/or cast, it can make things worse. I think your "wrist" position is casting, and this might NOT help at all.

The refiner is a swing plane tool. Therefore, it may help a bit more since it should help you find casting and off plane issues.

Neither one will cure a slice, but if you already know how to shut down a slice, the Refiner may make the feedback a little stronger so you train past it. Without some instruction, it may just make you very, very frustrated. The Refiner set screws tend to back out from impact, which I think is just a bad design. This is the main reason I don't use mine more.

If you really want a challenge, I would suggest a Whippy over the above two. (Yes, I also have this.) Without some guidance, however, this may be very, very frustrating again.

The other problem is know "why" you slice. It is either from:

1. Cutting across the ball (outside in)
2. Hitting with an open club head
3. In reality, they normally are BOTH there

You can solve half the problem with an "Inside Approach," and these things really do work while on the ground. The problem is if you lose the learning once the device is picked up!

Theo

[Keith Tobberman]

Re: Swing Setter or Refiner???

Cool, thank you for the advice!!!

[golfonenemesis]

Re: Swing Setter or Refiner???

The inside approach coupled with lots of ball striking; an old pro told me years ago that to make any change in your swing, it takes at least 1,000 balls struck with excellent tempo, balance and rhythm to begin to ingrain the change; however, it only takes less than 100 balls struck to ingrain a bad habit and make it worse.
Practice makes permanant.

[RandomHero1090]

Re: Swing Setter or Refiner???

I have the swingsetter and it have improved my power, tempo, grip and release. It will also help you learn the major checkpoints of the swing. The DVD that comes with the swingsetter is very informative.

It will not cure a O/I swingpath without you learning HOW to swing from I/O and keep on practicing it.