Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

[shootin4par]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

If you cup your wrist more you will need to turn your hips more.
Right now your hips are back at setup position, so if you did keep a cup in your right hand lord knows where the ball would go
Try to combine the RHD with the impact drill.

are you implying that more cup in the right wrist will leave the club face open?

[shootin4par]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

simon, something about the grip looks off, especially the right hand. Wish I could see a close up at address

[GreeBoman]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

are you implying that more cup in the right wrist will leave the club face open?

Yep, unless you turn your shoulders/torso/hips past setup position.(or you swat)

[irhyper2]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

[quote=shootin4par] the key for the right hand at address is making sure there is no cock in it

So this supports the fact that the right wrist at address, shown in picture in one of the above post, of Beems appears to have a downward or "negative" cock to it. I suppose that would help the "cup first then cock" move that we are talking about.

[shootin4par]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

Yep, unless you turn your shoulders/torso/hips past setup position.(or you swat)

squaring of the club face is dictated by the position of the left fore arm, not the right wrist cup unless you flip the hands into impact and that is a no no. people who go from flipping into impact and then being cupped at impact, have a problem squaring the club face because as former flippers they are not used to rotation of the left forearm squaring the club and therefore do not have enoubh forearm rotation to square the face. . in a sound golf swing releasing the right wrist cup is not a determining factor of being square or not, the relationship of club face and left forearm is.

[GreeBoman]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

in a sound golf swing releasing the right wrist cup is not a determining factor of being square or not.

hmm I dont agree.
You are not supposed to release this cup until after impact, unless you rotate fully before impact you have to breakdown to square the clubface.
This is what causes all sorts of bad shots, depending on how good or bad you time this break down you will be open or closed at impact.

[shootin4par]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

[quote=irhyper2]

the key for the right hand at address is making sure there is no cock in it

So this supports the fact that the right wrist at address, shown in picture in one of the above post, of Beems appears to have a downward or "negative" cock to it. I suppose that would help the "cup first then cock" move that we are talking about.

exactly!!!!!!, among other things
do this
take right hand with no club and cock the right wrist then cup it
now start over again but this time without cocking the right wrist, just cupp it.
tell me what position was easier to cup from?

[jbrunk]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

Note: There is no cock at setup, although you can see above that he quickly sets the cock.

What are we talking about here.....exactly?

[shootin4par]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

hmm I dont agree.
You are not supposed to release this cup until after impact, unless you rotate fully before impact you have to breakdown to square the clubface.
This is what causes all sorts of bad shots, depending on how good or bad you time this break down you will be open or closed at impact.

but if you hold the cup and rotate the left forearm there is no break down, also I went back and edited my previous post in our discussion, I did not word it how I should have

[Simon Woo]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

Wow, so many things to say here. Hope I can get all my thoughts organised! :P

1) GRIP : Shootin, I've attached a pic of my address. Hope you can see the grip clearly. I know all the theories (right hand V is supposed to point to right shoulder) but I guess putting it into practice is a different matter. Appreciate any pointers any of you guys are kind enough to provide. Thanks!

2) RIGHT WRIST AT ADDRESS : This is what I love about this forum. Books do not say things like this. I've had to go through a lot of experimenting myself to come to this realisation just 2 days ago (really wish you guys had this discussion earlier!) - I found that it is easier to cup my right wrist and get a good position at the top when I uncock it more at address. My previous setup with the right wrist already slightly cocked at address (I think this is something about offset?) made it really difficult to get a good position at the top. So Shootin, you are absolutely right about setup being the start of all things and thank you for pointing out such valuable information which I could never find anywhere else. Hyper, do keep us posted on how you get on. I think we are working on the same thing currently

3) CUPPED RIGHT WRIST AT IMPACT : I see some difference in opinions here. This is my current take on this. In order for me maintain more cup in the right wrist at impact (given my current swing), I will need to rotate the hips/shoulders more to bring the face back to square (Greg's impact drill. After having fixed the wrists at the top, this is what I am currently trying to work at. However it totally changes my downswing so I want to make sure I am making the right changes. Please guys continue to share your views on this. I am pretty sure I need to make some changes in terms of the arms coming into impact too.

[doogkie]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

picture didnt work bud

arms coming into impact, very important, i like to feel like they just fall or slightly like pulling straight down on a rope thats hangin from the sky and thats the "pro slot" you hear about

[Simon Woo]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

Thanks I forgot to attach it earlier

Arms coming down, that's right at the start of the downswing right? Working on the impact drill, I feel like I need to do a sudden uncock of the right wrist in order for the clubhead to hit the ball properly...

[doogkie]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

yes at beginning right after hips and shoulder

uncock or uncup? because you ARE supposed to uncock but not uncup, you havnt been trying to hit shots without uncocking have you?

[Simon Woo]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

Of course I have, or else I'd be hitting the air I guess to say it more accurately, it's a lot more uncock when I follow the impact drill and try to turn the hips 90 degrees past address, and I can't seem to pick the ball off cleanly that way

[shootin4par]

Re: Greg Norman's, "The Secret"

woo,
both hands look a little weak to me, Tigers or Hogans book has a good description, anyone know where to see a good grip online

right wrist should not be cocking much in the swing

what do you mean picking the ball cleanly? Please clarify your intention when hitting the ball because with irons you are supposed to smash that little white piece of **** into the ground

if you are having a hard time getting the hips into it then you are probably not loading right in the back swing, KEEP THE SPINE ANGLE

you say you wish we had this discussion earlier, if I knew 3 years ago what I know now, I would not still be shootin4par, I was close last month but putted terrible, 3 3 putts,