One plane...two plane....take a look...

[jbrunk]

I am pretty sure I am a two planer, but I do not feel like I have much hip movement. I know that with less hip movement, a one plane swing is preferred, so I wonder if I should consider making a change. Is there a specific body type or other characteristics that fits a one/two plane swing. It seems as though a one plane swing would be easier to repeat. What do you guys think, please take a look.

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/v...to/634/cat/529

[Robert O' Keeffe]

Re: One plane...two plane....take a look...

Looking at your video, I would not see too much wrong. I know from experience that making changes can bring your game down before it improves. If its not broken why fix it?!

[msklar92]

Re: One plane...two plane....take a look...

IMO your exactly correct. You appear to have a one plane set up - wide base and good spine tilt. However you are moving the arms on a more upright plane - so a 2 plane swing. you can try a more one plane takeaway by moving the left arm more across your chest and at the same time rotating the left arm so the back of the hand faces the sky. this should put your arm plane and shoulder the same - hence a one plane swing. If you want to stay with 2 plane swing, then tilt less at address and you will get more hip movement. If you read hardy's book - he explains this in detail.

[jbrunk]

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I just seem to have the hardest time with timing my hips and downswing, and I am a 6, but always want to improve. It's funny, when I am playing well and striking the ball well, I don't feel any conscious hip movement at all. It just happens. That seems to be reflective of a one plane swing.....WHAT TO DO?????????

[Theologic]

Re: One plane...two plane....take a look...

I just seem to have the hardest time with timing my hips and downswing, and I am a 6, but always want to improve. It's funny, when I am playing well and striking the ball well, I don't feel any conscious hip movement at all. It just happens. That seems to be reflective of a one plane swing.....WHAT TO DO?????????

JBrunk,

It is really, really deceptive to compare your swing to a pros because I'm guessing that you are setting your video camera on a short focal length and virtually all the video tape for pros have a longer focal length. (How far back is your camera?)

I think you are opening up more than you think. The best way would be to go to Golftec and get them to actually measure how much your hips open at impact.

However, I would suggest that as a 6 (I can only fantasize about this), you are at a point where you should really think about getting a local coach that is well respected. I have Hardy's book, and one plane vs two plane is overblown (and the Golfing Machine guys hate the book anyways), as it really just documents two different swing paths. I think that Hardy reintroduces a shallow swing path, which may be helpful for injury (rather than lowering your score dramatically).

I am curious. Are you all self coached?

Theo

[shootin4par]

Re: One plane...two plane....take a look...

I just seem to have the hardest time with timing my hips and downswing, and I am a 6, but always want to improve. It's funny, when I am playing well and striking the ball well, I don't feel any conscious hip movement at all. It just happens. That seems to be reflective of a one plane swing.....WHAT TO DO?????????

1 this is because your stance is too wide encouraging swaying rather then turning, that is pretty wide for a mid iron

2 you cross the line at the top a little, flatten the left wrist at the top, you have a slight cup, and this will stop you from crossing the line

3 Too much angle between club shaft at address and right forearm, take care of this and it may help take care of number two

overall VERY good swing and it should be exciting that your fixes may just be taken care of by changing your set up a little

[jbrunk]

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Theo...I am 90% self taught and just don't have the time to spend with a coach (married and 2 little ones). I am just trying to get more consistent. I play once a week and shoot 75 one Sat. and 83 the next. What's worse, is that the 75 is pure contact and the 83 is terrible, but my short game makes up for it. Maybe time is the key to a repeatable swing for me, I played with a college golfer last weekend and he said he played/practiced about 3-6 hours every day!

[jbrunk]

Re: One plane...two plane....take a look...

Shootin4par;

Can you give me some more detail on number 3? What are seeing and what are the drawbacks to this?

[shootin4par]

Re: One plane...two plane....take a look...

there is a lot to this and you may want to go over the things I posted in Greg normans secret http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/v...?t=4814&page=2

here are the drawbacks/benefits I posted there
it is called uncocking, the objective of this is for a variety of reasons. One it produces more of a straight line between club shaft and right fore arm.
2. Puts right wrist in a position to cup first on the back swing
3. Helps hit ball in center of club because of less angle, meaning the relationship between club shaft and right fore arm, being released at impact.
4.. Aids in not lifting up into impact, strong relation to number 1, 3.
5. Adds power because it puts right heal pad behind the shaft
6. Keeps plain more consistent
7. it helps aide you from taking the club back to the inside too quickly because instead of rolling the forearms over in the backswing the first move will be cupping of the right wrist

8. that is just for starters



Easy way to explain what I am talking about in the angle
stand at address with arms extended straight out in front of you, just under shoulder high, now make a straight line between your arms and the club shaft while still in that position, now drop that down to address and add A LITTTLE angle but not as much as you have now

another question for you, is there any right elbow bend at address? your shoulders look A LITTLE, VERY LITTLE open of your hips at address see how at addresss you can see some of your left pant leg but you cannot see any of your left fore arm or left shoulder, if you bend the right elbow closer to your ribs, while leaving the left where it is at, you will take care of this. change these and I would expect your average to drop 2 strokes and your high rounds to maybe drop 3-4. You obviously have a natural swing, this will only make it more natural