Wrist Cock

[Robert O' Keeffe]

I have just returned from a golf lesson with my teacher. The idea was to look at general setup etcwith which he had no problem. However, he told me that I was not cocking my wrists early enough and said that the cock should begin almost immediately in the swing before the hands get beyond the right leg. He also says that the right elbow should be "stuck" to the right side to create an upright club in an L shape. I tried hitting 3o balls with this theory but found it so difficult. Should I persist with this instruction, or stay with what I feel works. Would appreciate any advice on this.
Regards,
Robert

[TeachingPro]

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He's 100% correct - you want to create the wrist cock by the time you have the club level with your right hip & the toe of the club should be pointing skyward. By the time your arms are parallel to the ground, the club should be pointing skywards.

Persist with the movements and you'll see it start to become easier to do.

[Robert O' Keeffe]

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Many thanks. At least I now have something new to work on. How long on average does it take to instill a new habit. I am very tempted to stay with what gives me results, allthough I know this is wrong.

[Matt10]

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wow, I did not know this. So the wrist cock comes early than I've always thought....how come this hasn't been posted anywhere? I'm going to try this at the range next time...

[shootin4par]

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I have just returned from a golf lesson with my teacher. The idea was to look at general setup etcwith which he had no problem. However, he told me that I was not cocking my wrists early enough and said that the cock should begin almost immediately in the swing before the hands get beyond the right leg. He also says that the right elbow should be "stuck" to the right side to create an upright club in an L shape. I tried hitting 3o balls with this theory but found it so difficult. Should I persist with this instruction, or stay with what I feel works. Would appreciate any advice on this.
Regards,
Robert

Robert, run from him
If he does not know the right wrist should cup first and then the left wrist cocks, he is not worth a hill of beans

[wildwilly911]

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your working to hard on getting the wrist cocked, keep your grip and wrist loose, by keeping your right elbow tucked in tight you will get the angle he is looking for, tension in the wrist and hands kills most golf swings. that and of course you have to keep the left arm pretty straight.

[msklar92]

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The feel is similar to shaking somebodys hand with your left hand to the side of you If you notice, you cannot shake their hand without hinging the wrist. Its really as simple as that.

[spankit]

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this is why i dont take lessons..one pro will tell ya one way..another will tell you a different way.My guess there is no set way to swing.Oh i know there are basics that all agree on..but i have found that you must "find" your own swing.If you know the basics get to the range and try different things until you find it.It is not easy either.I have worked hard on it for the last 14 months every day hitting balls on my lunch hour ..it is finally starting to get there.The thing that i have found that produces the most consistent shots for me is to start with a turning of the left shoulder and keep the shoulders turning (while keeping the lower body still)all the way to the top of the swing.NOT letting the arms take over and NOT letting the plane get flat.Like "Bagger Vance" said in the movie.."the swing is in you..you just gots to find it." Just My Opinion-Not Necessarily Correct-Good Luck-David

[agent99]

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Robert, run from him
If he does not know the right wrist should cup first and then the left wrist cocks, he is not worth a hill of beans

This can be confusing.

Firstly, there are different ways of swinging a golf club. Some tour player delay their wrist action using the so-called one-piece take-away. If a player tries an early cup or cock, the club can go way inside causing an over the top swing or some other bad result.

I would think that many players would not know the difference between cupping and cocking. Devices are sold to maintain a straight left wrist (RH player), so presumably the left wrist does not cup. The RH wrist does cup fully. The cocking action is presumably the movement of teh wrist that takes place at 90 degrees to teh cupping action.

I am sure that this is all very clear to some

I have read the stuff on the Golf machine sites (Manzella, Crocker) - they get into cupping an cocking and takeaway in some detail. But even they distinguish between diferent types of swings - Hitting vs Swinging for example.

I change my swing at least once or twice a year, but when I look back at videos we have taken over the years, the swing always looks the same
I have decided to do the best I can with what I've got. If I can cut 3 or 4 puts out of each game and get up and down 75% of the time, I will be a scratch golfer. Not likely, but easier to work on!

[shootin4par]

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this is why i dont take lessons..one pro will tell ya one way..another will tell you a different way.My guess there is no set way to swing.Oh i know there are basics that all agree on..but i have found that you must "find" your own swing.If you know the basics get to the range and try different things until you find it.It is not easy either.I have worked hard on it for the last 14 months every day hitting balls on my lunch hour ..it is finally starting to get there.The thing that i have found that produces the most consistent shots for me is to start with a turning of the left shoulder and keep the shoulders turning (while keeping the lower body still)all the way to the top of the swing.NOT letting the arms take over and NOT letting the plane get flat.Like "Bagger Vance" said in the movie.."the swing is in you..you just gots to find it." Just My Opinion-Not Necessarily Correct-Good Luck-David

if all pros studied biomechanics and learned how the human body works, there would be a lot less deviation. I have studied biomechanics a little and the guy from whom I learned a lot about the golf swing studied biomechanics quite a bit. have you tried the hand shake drill? and if not I suggest you try it and see biomechanics at work

[shootin4par]

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This can be confusing.

If a player tries an early cup or cock, the club can go way inside causing an over the top swing or some other bad result. If you do not roll the wrists/forearms, then no you would not take it too far inside
I would think that many players would not know the difference between cupping and cocking. Devices are sold to maintain a straight left wrist (RH player), so presumably the left wrist does not cup. The RH wrist does cup fully. The cocking action is presumably the movement of teh wrist that takes place at 90 degrees to teh cupping action. hold hand staright up and move it side to side, that is cupping, move it up/down, that is cocking, pretty simple

I am sure that this is all very clear to some and could be made very clear to you given the right teacher

I have read the stuff on the Golf machine sites (Manzella, Crocker) - they get into cupping an cocking and takeaway in some detail. But even they distinguish between diferent types of swings - Hitting vs Swinging for example. They know you cup before you cock. I can hit and swing and in both the cup comes before the cock, TGM knows that. If you guys only knew the amount of "top 50" instructors who are TGM, and the amount of tour players they teach you might be suprised. Their knowledge in general is MUCH higher then pga

I change my swing at least once or twice a year, but when I look back at videos we have taken over the years, the swing always looks the same
I have decided to do the best I can with what I've got. If I can cut 3 or 4 puts out of each game and get up and down 75% of the time, I will be a scratch golfer. Not likely, but easier to work on go find yourself a tgm instructor, you might be suprised at what you can learn. I have only changed my set up and a couple of minor things in my golf swing and now most all my problems are fixed. if some of you guys lived near orlando I would fix you for free just for the challenge of it.

[Broadus]

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Shootin,

If you're ever up I-26 in upstate SC, stop by. I could use some fixes, and your price is about what I can afford!

Bill

[agent99]

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The cocking action is presumably the movement of the wrist that takes place at 90 degrees to the cupping action. hold hand staright up and move it side to side, that is cupping, move it up/down, that is cocking, pretty simple

Shootin,

These two sentences describe the same thing.

If I talk to some of the guys I play with (good golfers), they don't really know what cupping is and that you are supposed to do it. (Even although they do it)

It may be simple to those who think about it most of the time, but the average guy who plays rather than analyses, doesn't really know or understand the terms often used in golf swing instruction. Especially those used by TGM

[shootin4par]

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Shootin,

These two sentences describe the same thing.

If I talk to some of the guys I play with (good golfers), they don't really know what cupping is and that you are supposed to do it. (Even although they do it)

It may be simple to those who think about it most of the time, but the average guy who plays rather than analyses, doesn't really know or understand the terms often used in golf swing instruction. Especially those used by TGM

while describing this in a forum can be difficult, i have gotten people to understand and implement this IN LESS than 5 minutes and INSTANTLY start chipping better, from there take it to the full swing. I understand TGM is difficult, there is a lot they describe that I dont worry about, not that it does not have validity but it is difficult like you said. However, like I said this is the second most important part of the golf swing besides set up. People should be able to llearn the difference between cup and cock, it is quite simple and can be a HUGE revelation in understanding why the swing is so elusive