Starnge but true...

[eurocop]

This seems strange to me . I can hit my irons well with a little fade and can force a little draw by closing my stance. But with the driver or woods I have a good and consistant slice and or power fade. i have tried all the tweaks, strong grip closed stance in to out etc etc.. but the only way i can hit straight consistantly is to drop my right foot wayyyy back so my feet are aimed well right of target line, like really closed stance, but club at target and hips and shoulders parralel to target line. it seems to give me a bit more shoulder turn coming back but allows me to close the face a lot easier and nail it easy 250 carry..

But if i line my feet up with everything else it is a slice every time, Strange to me, but maybe someone here has a reason why this fix is patching my drives, works well with my Halo hybreds too. Ball position is well forward

[LowPost42]

Re: Starnge but true...

What size is your driver? Most drivers over 400cc's also setup with the face pointing to the hook side of the target.

I play a 1° closed, myself. If I set it up square, I slice. If I set it up closed (like it's supposed to be), I can find a lot of fairways.

[eurocop]

Re: Strange but true...

thks for that, i wil l try it . i am using a 400cc tailormade R7 with movable weights( which are a joke). I can move em, leave em out whatever doesnt change ball flight for me one bit.
I must have spent the lsat 3 mths , includinng lessons etc working on this driver slice, all i can say is its a good thing i dont work at a post office

[eurocop]

Re: Starnge but true...

lowpost42
how do you make sure your set up 1 degree closed? and get it right everytime, one degree is very hard to see when i set up. I have tried squaring the club then aiming one degree inside that.

thks

[LowPost42]

Re: Starnge but true...

I don't actually square up, then close the face by exactly 1°. If I could do things with that kind of precision, I'd be too busy whooping the arses of PGA pros to be posting here!

What I do for all shots is square the face to the target, then setup parallel left. With my driver, I then turn the face towards the hook side of the target. Often with the driver, it means just relaxing my grip, and the setup of the club naturally closes the face as it soles itself. If not, I turn it in. I may actually set it up 4 or 5 degrees closed at address, but it still does the job!

[eurocop]

Re: Starnge but true...

I had noticed a long time back, about 6 mths ( i have been palying a year). That my r5 driver and my r7 had a noticeable diifference in the amount the face was closed looking down the shaft, R5 being a lot more closed and R7 basically flat(both 10.5,stiffs). I was told by my PGA instructor to always square the face regardless, as by having it closed delofted the face . So I being the simple minded want to be swinger, have always squared the face including irons.
But i truly believe the design of the R5 closed face was for a reason, otherwise why would Tailormade do it. I have since looked at a few pro set ups and noticed this very small closed face at address.
I will go to the range today and let you know.

thks much, this advice was very usefull as i had overlooked this in all my set up and mechanics etc

[eurocop]

Re: Starnge but true...

Went to range and no matter how much i close that face i can still slice it, i have tried ball position all over the place forward back in out and shake it all about, and any one want a banana. I tried half swings slow aim feet right left swing from in to out, strong grip weak grip no grip , i think i was going to bend every club i owned at one point and was thinking of ways i could distroy my clubs in the most over stated way possible

I am at the point where nothing feels right at all, i had a chance before i had lessons and now i just have a brain full off swing thoughts and sh@#

This game sucks like a bad tasting lollypop

[shootin4par]

Re: Starnge but true...

go to the range and try this. when you start your downswing try and rotate the forearm so much and so fast that you shut the face down and actually hit it with the toe of the club because it is so closed, then report back on the ball flight

[GolfJunkieSr]

Re: Starnge but true...

This might work as it is a band aid for what you are discribing, that has been around since the 40s. I know it works with irons, but I don't know if it will work for the longer shafted woods. Anyways, set the club face square to your ball target line. Then align your feet, hips, and shoulders closed. A check here would be to have your shoulder line pointing at your target, the same as your ball target line, with the rest of your body aligned with your shoulders. Do not take the club back along your toe line which is normally the correct thing to do. Instead take the club head straight back from the ball, while making your normal swing up, and down. Doing this allows the swing to come from the out side compared to your body alignment, but still be square to the target line, as is the club face. To check if this helps with your problem, take some dry swings, and watch for the streaking blurr of your club head passing through your ball contact zone. If your problem is swinging from out to in with the longer clubs, the streaking club head will be straight down your intended target line.

S4Par has you going on the right track by rotating your right fore arm over the left. In addition, you might want to make sure you are turning your hips, with out any, or too much sway foreward, which sometimes leaves the hands behind, which allows the club face to stay open longer than it it should. Any teaching club pro worth anything can identify your swing problem immediately while saving yourself alot of grief, and time. GJS

[alexk]

Re: Starnge but true...

Slice happens only if your club goes behind the swing path. Outside in. You are kind of throwing the club little.

When ever i have problem in the course. I keep my head down as long as possible and keep my palm down during impact which corrects slightly any slice.

You can also do what hogan did which is he keeps right feet little behind to give enough space to get the club come from inside.

You have to adjust to the length of club shaft or you have to change the shaft length.

[eurocop]

Re: Starnge but true...

thks for the advice, i will get back to the range on monday, today(sunday 21 may) i am nursing a hangover and my wife is giving me a headache

I do find that the club head feels like it is staying open, I dont think i am coming over the top too much as i can place a sponge outside the ball not hit it. i have a couple of pics i will try and post, having trouble with video download at moment but working on it.

[eurocop]

Re: Starnge but true...

here is link to my swing with driver, this shot was first tee in a stroke play tournement, lots of pressure, I topped it and the ball went about 100yards. You can pause the vid and then drag the bar for frame by frame.



http://markgavinmorris.myphotoalbum....river_rear_vid

[knockerjoe]

Re: Starnge but true...

It is obvious from the video that you are swinging over the top which is causing your slice. What is causing this is usually a shoulder or hip problem. Remember shoulders 90 degrees and hips 45 degrees. Start the hip turn first and allow your arms to swing down into the slot that opens up. Keep your arms close to your body. Good luck!

[eurocop]

Re: Starnge but true...

i just cant seem to find the slot and when i try and move hips first it all falls out of wack

[james.welsh]

Re: Starnge but true...

I've had luck with timing/tempo (which I think coming over the top is caused by). Try the "ring the bell" swingthought (pretend to pull down on a rope as you initiate the swing). It kind of keeps the hands from moving out and away before the hips. If your hands go first and then your hips, your hands and arms will have rotated around and there's nowhere else for the club to go BUT over the top. Then at impact you'll slice or pull-slice. Check out the Impact Position drill so often referred to on this site it makes a big difference in how you "feel" about how to impact the ball.

Also, don't try to swing so hard! You'd be surprised how far you'll hit the ball simply because you've actually hit the sweet spot for once! I have a hard time with the driver myself and have much better luck with a 3W.

If you don't think you're hitting the ball with the sweet spot, bring a roll of masking tape to the range. Put a piece on the club face and hit a few balls as you normally do. If the ball marks are on the toe you've set up with too much room between the you and the club (adjust by setting up a tiny bit closer until you see a difference). If the marks are too close to the heel, you're setting up too close so you'll need to back up a touch.