Tour tempo

[msklar92]

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I forgot the name of the author, but you can buy cd's with songs on them that match the 3:1 tempo and play them before a round. BTW, I think Hogan swung at 18:6. The mantra is "Swing set through". When you first do it you can believe how fast it is.

[jesperparnevik]

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I forgot the name of the author, but you can buy cd's with songs on them that match the 3:1 tempo and play them before a round. BTW, I think Hogan swung at 18:6. The mantra is "Swing set through". When you first do it you can believe how fast it is.

Apparently Ben Hogan was a 21/7 according to the book anyhow. I've tried so many different 'tips' and "nuggets of advice' and never really stuck with any of them when they seemed to dessert me, as soon as the tip didn't work just once I'd try something else. I think this is my (and probably the majority of amateurs) main problem...we all want and instant "fix" and if it fails at all we just discard it. Not this time though, I'm really gonna stick with this one for a few months at least and then if I don't see an improvement I can rest assured that I gave it a good try and was patient. My fundamentals are good (I've had 2 lessons from a PGA pro, he thought when he looked at my swing that I had been playing since I was knee high....I had only been playing 2-3 years at that stage) and I know that most of my positions are fairly solid (a few things I could improve, but hey, who's perfect?) and at this stage I have so many swing thoughts going on in my head that I forget everything I already know how to do. As I always say, if I can hit pure golf shots in the range there is absolutely NO REASON I can't do the same on the course. So, I'll just keep my fundamentals in check and try focus on rhythm.

[mickeyuk]

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a swinger or a hitter!they all take approx the same time.but the eye can be fooled!!!the big easy or tiger!ernie is quicker by a fraction sam snead the best swing ever,looked so slow yet he had rhythm and swung the club at a quick tempo!as does fred couples ,eles and goosen.they all swing at 24/8.remember tempo is the time from take away to impact . rhythm is how your body moves whithin that time .as to temprement thats a load of **** in the golf swing .langer is so slow with a super fast swing and nancy is a hot head with a super slow swing ,the great bobby jones swung the club a perfect 27/9 and smoked 40 fags every 18 holes .so what ever your tempo is stick with it and dont be like me and try and change a 30 year old swing .

[jesperparnevik]

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a swinger or a hitter!they all take approx the same time.but the eye can be fooled!!!the big easy or tiger!ernie is quicker by a fraction sam snead the best swing ever,looked so slow yet he had rythm and swung the club at a quick tempo!as does fred couples ,eles and goosen.they all swing at 24/8.remember tempo is the time from take away to impact . rythm is how your body moves whithin that time .as to temprement thats a load of **** in the golf swing .langer is so slow with a super fast swing and nancy is a hot head with a super slow swing ,the great bobby jones swung the club a perfect 27/9 and smoked 40 fags every 18 holes .so what ever your tempo is stick with it and dont be like me and try and change a 30 year old swing .

I'm not neccessarily trying to change my swing, I'm just fine tuning it really to make it a little more smooth and without trying to kill the ball. My swing was already pretty close to the 27/9 tempo except for at impact, and everytime I got my timing spot on (in sync with the 27/9 bleeps) I hit the ball great, when my impact was off, I didn't hit the ball so solid, so I must've been doing something right by changing my tempo slightly, wouldn't you agree?

[Liam Hancock]

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Ben Hogan 21/7
My Dad 21/7


Now that is cool.


Liam,

[mickeyuk]

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tempo is a very personal thing . more to do with kenetics ,eye and body movement controlled by the right side of the brain!if your looking for the perfect tempo forget it . tour tempo myth .as for swinging a wedge at the same tempo as your driver thats a myth too ! you swing a driver at a slower tempo than your wedge . but with the same rhythm.remember tempo is time ,rhythm is how your body moves within that time

[mickeyuk]

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i wish i could spell rhythm

[jesperparnevik]

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I've read many articles by well known swing coaches that have said that every club in the bag (except for the putter of course) should be swung at the same tempo, and this is one of the main reasons that people struggle with their long irons compared to mid and short irons...they automatically assume that they have to swing harder and quicker and that just ruins the whole flow of their swing. The length of the shaft automatically increases clubhead speed because the arc is wider and longer (scientifically proven) and not swinginging harder or faster. This combined with the lower loft of long irons and woods is what gives you the extra distance as you go up through the bag. Now, I'm no swing coach and I certainly don't claim to know everything about the swing, but, as I said earlier, when I hit my shots in time with the tempo beats they all turned out well...no matter what club I used, wedges through to driver. I'd be interested to hear what any of the qualified instructors on this forum have to say about this (assuming you're not an qualified instructor yourself that is).

[mickeyuk]

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im not having a go at tour tempo ,no way! if it helps people thats fine by me. tour tempo is worked on 30 frames per second 27/9 works out at 1.2 seconds from take away to impact [perfect]. you can download swings from this site and play them in windows movie maker . choose the 30 frames per second mode and time the swingsyou will see that the times ie tempo are not the same through the bag. as greg said before his driver took longer to swing than his short irons!tour rythem thats what it should be called.if all the guys on the tour swung a 7 iron the times would range from 0.85 to 1.5 secs ,would the tempo be a perfect 3 to 1 ,no way! greg norman 25/8 ernie beats him . what they all have in common is they have rhthem.if your golf swing takes 2 seconds and you try and swing at 1.2 your brain and body wont have it.it may in practice but not on the course. good luck!

[Teevino]

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It has been 4 day's now with no comment or response on this thread. Does mickeyuk get the last word here? I was hoping not. I'd sure like to here more.. Let's see, if I start counting at the beginning of my back swing, one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three and then count one thousand one through my forward swing to impact, I wonder how close I could get to a 3:1 ratio.

If the pro's and the great pro's "all" swing at a 3:1 ratio, how did they accomplish this? Or is that what makes one a pro, a natural gift at birth to be able to swing a golf club at a 3:1 ratio?

Hmmmm, I wonder,,,, seriously...

[msklar92]

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it doesn't quite work that way. When I did this for a while it is quite similar to a medium to fast waltz tempo - 3/4 time if your are a muscian. so.. 123,223,323. The backswing would start after beat one, you set the club with the wrists on 3 and are at impact starting on the next beat.
1 2 3, 2 2 3
start 1/2 way set impact follow through

The set to impact points is like the swoosh of Zoro according to the book. Although the tempo may be faster or slower, the ratio is supposed to remain contant.

[jesperparnevik]

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I'm not actaually gonna argue witha anyone that disagrees with the whole 3:1 ratio theory, but you know what? It seems to be working for me so far. Last time I went to the range I went through my usual warm up and gentle stretching etc while listening to my ipod on 27/9 and then proceeded to hit somes wedges while focusing on the beats...SOLID!! So I continued and tried a few other clubs up to about a 7 I think, (I'm gonna take it slowly through the whole bag...Patience is a virtue) and everytime it was in sync with the beeps the result was a SOLID SHOT, now, if there is no truth to this theory or people disregard the idea straight away without trying it, WHY ARE MY SHOTS SOLID WHEN I'M IN TIME WITH THE BEEPS???!! It is more difficult than you would imagine to concentrate on the beeps for the whole time and admittedly my mind did wander a few times, when it did the result was a not so solid strike. So, I decided to take the earphones out because I wasn't giving it my full attention and something wonderful happened...I started striking the ball beautifully without listening to the beeps, I can only assume that the tempo was starting to become ingrained. My swing felt unhurried, smooth and powerful. I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH THESE RESULTS! I am going to the range now, I will be bringing my ipod and I'm expecting more of the same...........!

[Teevino]

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it doesn't quite work that way. When I did this for a while it is quite similar to a medium to fast waltz tempo - 3/4 time if your are a muscian. so.. 123,223,323. The backswing would start after beat one, you set the club with the wrists on 3 and are at impact starting on the next beat.
1 2 3, 2 2 3
start 1/2 way set impact follow through

The set to impact points is like the swoosh of Zoro according to the book. Although the tempo may be faster or slower, the ratio is supposed to remain contant.

Thanx for the breakdown. I'm not quite sure I can completely follow it but I get the idea.

Jesper, I don't doubt you at all. I find the idea to be very interesting and quite appealing.. where again can I get that CD?

[jesperparnevik]

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Jesper, I don't doubt you at all. I find the idea to be very interesting and quite appealing.. where again can I get that CD?

The CD comes with the book. It's called 'Tour Tempo' by John Novosel with John Garrity. I reckon buy it with a couple of your mates and just copy the CD..............that's probably illegal but hey....! Was hitting them solid again tonight BTW!

[Teevino]

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The CD comes with the book. It's called 'Tour Tempo' by John Novosel with John Garrity. I reckon buy it with a couple of your mates and just copy the CD..............that's probably illegal but hey....! Was hitting them solid again tonight BTW!

Thanx, I appreciate that. May I ask, does the book address how the pro's and great players like Ben Hogan develop/ed this tempo? Is there someway to do it without the tape. Glad to hear you are still having success with it BTW..