wrist cock

[Rackster]

Re: wrist cock

I have got two drills for cocking / hinging the wrists, but both appear to be slightly different to me, especially bearing in mind Gregs RH drill advice. Greg says the wrist should hing up. Is the following drill OK for this as it the wrists hinge upwards here (this is a PDF document, go to page 3 section 3 "Learn to hinge your wrists")

http://www.adrianfryergolf.com/html/...arntoplay2.pdf

I have also got this drill from David Blair, here I would say your wrists hinge from to the side.

http://www.golfinternationalmag.co.u...vid_blair1.htm

This little drill from Blair also reminds me of the Leadbetter classic pre set drill, however the Leadbetter version involves a full swing, rather than isolating the hand action.

Which one is correct or are they both the same?

[GregJWillis]

Re: wrist cock

Blair is quite scarry to see the hands move that way...coul'd even read it. The first is my choice!

[Rackster]

Re: wrist cock

I've had a few thoughts on this an also read a book by Henry Cotton called "My Swing"- detailing Henry's thoughts of how he swung the club.

What I am seeing in a great many swings, plus in a lot of instruction is this. The backswing involves three processes:

1) Takeaway- is about rotation of the left arm and hand away from the ball to about 8 o'clock.
2) From 8 o'clock, it is about an upward hingeing of the wrists (like the Fryer drill)
3) Once the wrists are set, complete your full shoulder turn.

[Mox]

Re: wrist cock

I used to set my hands very early. I would make a slight forward press to kick off my backswing, and then almost instantly cock my wrists as I started taking my hands back and turning my shoulders.

It worked well for me, but made for a very compact swing.

After a couple of lessons with my local pro, I now cock my wrists very LATE ... not until after the shaft is in the 9 o'clock position. Everything before that is shoulder turn and arms. That will set the club completely parallel to your feet appx a couple of inches in front of your toes at 9 o'clock, but on a very wide swing arc, giving a good tight curl of your upper body.
From there, wrists cock and arms swing to the top position.

When beginning my downswing, I try to mentally focus on using my left arm to pull my right shoulder towards the ball - imagining a fixed connection between right shoulder and right hand, so that they move in sync.

When the centre of my chest is again pointing towards the ball, I'll still have some 120deg of angle on the shaft and arms which have nowhere to go but through the ball.

Adding Greg's Right Hand drill and you will have clubhead speed like never before.

Power comes from swing arc. Speed from the hands.

[BrianW]

Re: wrist cock

I have got two drills for cocking / hinging the wrists, but both appear to be slightly different to me, especially bearing in mind Gregs RH drill advice. Greg says the wrist should hing up. Is the following drill OK for this as it the wrists hinge upwards here (this is a PDF document, go to page 3 section 3 "Learn to hinge your wrists")

http://www.adrianfryergolf.com/html/...arntoplay2.pdf

I have also got this drill from David Blair, here I would say your wrists hinge from to the side.

http://www.golfinternationalmag.co.u...vid_blair1.htm

This little drill from Blair also reminds me of the Leadbetter classic pre set drill, however the Leadbetter version involves a full swing, rather than isolating the hand action.

Which one is correct or are they both the same?

To me they are the same. Blair is not cupping his wrists he is cocking them and rolling his forearms.

Wrist cock is achieved by an up and down vertical movement of the wrists only. To prove this:

Address an iron.
Lift it straight up by pulling upward as far as possible by raising your wrists only.
Bend your elbows so the iron is over your right shoulder.
Make a full shoulder turn as in the backswing.
Now raise your arms so your left arm is straight.

You will now be in a perfect backswing position with the club correct at the top. You will only have lifted your wrists vertically, no cupping involved.

When using rotation in the backswing it gives the impression that the wrists are cupping but they should not.

[1iron]

Re: wrist cock

Barrus, What technique/s do you employ to maintain a firm left wrist through impact without flipping? Thanks

[Scragger63]

Re: wrist cock

I have a Harvey Pennick video which (in part) talks about wrist cock...

Basically "he says" that by the time you get half way back, if your club is pointing upwards, then your wrist cock is built in and you should think no more about it...

Or words to that effect... Will have to watch the video again to be sure...

I guess he is suggesting that it may be better to just know it's there and that it happens, but not concentrate on it at all...

[takinitdeep]

Re: wrist cock

Tension destroys wrist cock and takes the naturalness out of it. Seems to me one need not worry about when it happens but rather that it happens at all.
Keeping my hands, wrists, arms, shoulders loose allows me to do what I need to do without wondering about it.
Seems to me if one tries to hinge the wrists, it destroys the tension free motion.
Seems to me also that the shorter the club, the earlier the hinge but who cares; just focus on timing and balance.

[Sumosid]

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My two cents on this. I was getting lessons about 6 months ago. The Pro had me pronate (wrist cup\wrist cock) on my take away. Picture holding a tray of food at the top of your backswing rather than hitching a ride on the motorway...) I used to turn/rotate my wrists on take away and cock my thumb towards my shoulder--now the back of my hand is cupped towards th e top of my forearm. My iron play was a bit average in distance. I hit two shots with the pro suggestions and all of the sudden my shots had feel, excellent ball flight, snappy, and excellent distance. My 8 iron went from 120YD (don't laugh...) to 155YD in a single lesson. I found that I could concentrate more on rythm and tempo and start to dial in shots/aiming.... My short iron play was transformed. My driver also benifited greatly...the yardage increases were not nearly as signifigant---but I was already a long hitter with the driver...

After playing this in my game for the last 6 months, my short game has really benefited as well as my driver (accuracy seems better with lower penetrating ball flight), but I am having issues with long irons and fairway woods----if I am not careful I will develop a snap hook with these clubs---I might be cocking too much now and need to get another lesson on my long irons... Sometimes Pro's have you practice something in exageration to fix things, as you get better at the exageration you need to dial down a bit. We will see....

Wrist cock fan...

[GregJWillis]

Re: wrist cock

As the irons get longer then, imploy more of a rotation of the shoulders through before impact. It is easy to try to hit them harder with the hands to generate the power, but as the club gets longer, that gets harder and harder to time correctly (as compared to the shorter irons). So the idea of hitting better longer irons is to use a longer swing, longer arc while maintaining better control of the hands into impact. Think about the trailing shoulder returning past square and as far past as you can before impact. My impact/wall drill gets you this feeling. It should feel as though the leading shoulder is higher then the trailing, or the trailing shoulder is lower...what ever you like to think about...both work. (I say it this way because you will have a hard time thinking about 2 things, just pick 1).

[Sumosid]

Re: wrist cock

Brian,

Perhaps you are right; I am by no means an expert. I have had a look at Greg's link and it is exactly what I was talking about. the right wrist cup. In fact, his website might have the key as to why I was hooking my longer irons. I might be swatting longer irons.

Anyway, Greg's site is an excellent description of my lesson. I now only think of three spots on my back swing--which I can stop and check at any point to make sure that I am doing everything correctly.
1. Cupped right wrist at address\initial takeaway.
2. Club position at 9 o’clock--needs have the face straight up and down. Shaft needs to be parallel to target line---most of us have a tendency to pull the club in behind us which can cause the over the top move--yuk.
3. Club positioned over right shoulder or between shoulder and head. I prefer an upright swing. /

Of course I could be thinking about heaps of stuff, but this has been working well for me as of late--