Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

[notitm]

These are all down the line. I've got multiple issues from what I can tell, but I'm mostly interested in swing plane. I put tape on my monitor down the swing plane to view these and I finally get what it means to be too steep and outside-in. I think I start back on the correct swing plane, but I always end up coming over top. Any advice?

These are with driver. For whatever reason I don't have these problem with my irons.

All videos are full speed, followed by slo-mo.

Despite my horrid swing, this one goes O.K.
http://gszczyrbak.googlepages.com/good2.wmv

This one is my normal slice (straight then right, way right)
http://gszczyrbak.googlepages.com/slice2.wmv

This one lines out to the left, then comes back right to the center. (Tempo issues I think)
http://gszczyrbak.googlepages.com/linetotheleft.wmv

Thanks all.

[Martin Levac]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

notitm,

Forget about the swing, it's good enough. Let's get you to strike that ball properly. First, the grip. I'm going to give you a few conditions your grip must meet and you figure out how to grip the club in a way to meet those conditions, all those conditions.

1. You must be able to form a 90* angle with your left forearm and the club while you maintain the clubface square with your left forearm.

2. You must be able to address the ball with the clubface square to the target line without twisting your grip either way.

3. You must be able to swing the club with the clubface being square-to-square-to-square from backswing to impact area to followthrough.

4. You must do all of the above without your fingers slipping or moving on the grip of the club.

Next, proper impact. The only way you're going to send the ball where you want is to strike it properly with the club. Now that you can grip the club so that you can swing it freely, you can strike the ball properly to send it where you want. How to grip the club is less important than how to strike the ball so once you find a confortable grip method, forget about it and focus on proper contact with the ball.

100% of 75 is better than 50% of 100. Apply less force but apply it more effectively by striking the ball in the center of the clubface with the clubface square to its path or if you prefer, square to the target line. Maintain your head as immobile as you can so that you maintain focus on the ball with your eyes as long as you can throughout the swing. It's the only way you'll be precise enough to make proper contact with the ball.


Martin Levac

[notitm]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

Huh? I'm confued by at least half of what you said. I'm also interested why you are focusing on my grip. Do you see something in the video that indicates a poor grip? Or is that just general advice. Am I releasing at the top? Really, I'm trying to understand here. Not being a jerk.

1. 90 degree angle? Isn't the angle more obtuse than that. Especially with a Driver. Closer to 180 than 90. Maybe 160. Or are we talking about different angles.

2. I have a slightly strong grip. Is this what you mean by twisting

3. clubface square to square to sqaure to what?

Impact: I've used impact tape a few times and I usually get good results. Pretty close to the center on most shots. Is the club square though? Probably not since I'm slicing it. Still, I think my slice comes from the swing plane more than the squareness of the club. Though at times it is probably both.




Thanks,
Greg

[Martin Levac]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

Greg,

Sorry for the confusion.

Let me rephrase that.

You must be able to meet all those conditions independently but not all at the same time.

90* angle with left forearm and club. Square clubface at address. Swing from square-to-square-to-square.

Obviously, you can't form a 90* angle with the left forearm and the club while you address the ball. Think of it as you must do different jobs with the same grip.

If I turn the logic around.

If you grip the club properly so that you can strike the ball properly, you will be able to meet all those conditions independently without fail. Instead of trying to tell you how to grip the club outright, which I'm certain I can't because your hands are different than mine yet work in the same fashion as mine, I tell you what conditions your grip must meet. I tried all kinds of different methods to grip the club and I found that there's only one method that allows me to meet all those conditions and it's that method that also allows me to strike the ball properly. The most important condition is that the fingers must not slip or move on the grip of the club as I meet all the other conditions.

What do you do when you swing the club if not:

address the ball with the clubface square
_then_
form a 90* angle with the left forearm and the club with the clubface square
_then_
address the ball again with the clubface square as you strike it
_then_
form a 90* angle with the left forearm and the club again with the clubface square?

And no, the way you grip the club now doesn't allow you to control the club properly.

Something else that's rarely pointed out. With which fingers to grip the club strongly and not so strongly? Counting from the pinky (right handed), left hand 1-2-3 strong pressure, right hand 2-3 strong pressure. All other fingers including both thumbs, you could take them off the grip and still be able to control the club properly. In fact, that's a drill I use to teach myself what I forget once in a while. I grip the club with only these fingers and take off and extend all other fingers and hit a few balls down the range.


Martin Levac

[james.welsh]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

You're coming "over the top".

Go here and look carefully at how great golfers swing.

http://golfdigest.com/instruction/swingsequences/

You may need to sign up to view, but it's free.

While you're at it look at the classic single-plane swing of Sam Snead.

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...0/ppuser/61347

[aftford]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

Hi notitm.

I have watched your swing for about 20 minutes and i spotted a number of issues that you might want to address.I am only going to highlight three because they are relatively easy to correct and will make the biggest improvement

1) Your right leg staightens at the top of the backswing, this can lead to REVERSE PIVOTING which basically means your weight is staying on your left side at the top. Try to maintain the correct knee flex that you have at address.

2) You are not maintaining your spine angle through your swing , this means that your head is higher at the top of your backswing than it was at address. This can lead to you topping the ball.

3 ) your right arm is far to bent on your throught swing , making it very narrow. try yo focus on keeping your right arm straiter after impact.

Its not all bad news. your tempo and timing are excellent an your swingplane is also very good.

If you have any questions, i'm usually on-line so just gimme a shout .

cheers

[Liam Hancock]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

hi there,
first thing your feet are closed at adress and through the entire swing. when you are at the top of you backswing your hips have turned to much and your right leg is completely straight. try to flex your knees at the top of your backswing. also try to keep the hips as less turned as possible. a bit outside coming into the ball but just don't worry about that.
Liam,

[SlicersHell]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

You throw your right shoulder out to start the downswing. The right shoulder should go down not over and out. That's the reason you slice. You're coming over the top and cutting across the ball.

There's a thread a few down that covers the same topic: http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...in-dswing.html

Get that right shoulder going down and through and think of hitting the ball out to right field. That should get you going in the right direction.

[BrianW]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

Hi

Your problem is a slice that is caused by an out to in swing path, most golfers have this problem. Yours is caused by you coming over the top at the start of your downswing, this puts the clubface outside the swingpath and on a steep approach angle (your shots probably fly high to the right).

You have to focus on keeping the club approaching the ball from the inside on a shallower plane. Currently you start your downswing by rotating your shoulders thus pulling the club over the top forcing you to cut across the ball at impact. Start your downswing by turning your hips while dropping your arms straight down so that your right elbow comes into your right hip, keep your wrists at the same angle as they were at the top of the backswing. Now you can release your forearms, wrists and shoulders through the ball on the inside path.

Hope this helps
Brian

[notitm]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

Thanks everyone. I think I'm getting as I mentioned in my post. I can really see the swing plane stuff that is going on. Now, I gotta get out to the range and see what I can do to fix it. Got a lesson coming up too.

- Greg

[notitm]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

Everyone interested in improving their game should shoot video of their swing. Thanks everyone. I tried a bunch of things at the range today. I still slice the occasion ball, but I'm getting more and more to go straight. I'm focusing on the start of my downswing (that is-what I do to start my downswing) and that seems to be helping.

- Greg

[The Hud]

Re: Please comment on my swing video (swing plane)

Hi Notitm I dont know if I'm the one to comment, I am only starting to get on top of my own swing. But your swing looks very much like I used to do, so I'l give it a go.
I think you are swinging too flat, which causes your left shoulder to turn almost level with your right and lifts your body as the swing nears the top. It also causes a big turn of the hips, which comes back too quickly on the downswing and causes the right shoulder to turn too quickly on the down swing (coming over the top) leading to a slice with long clubs and probable pulls and hooks with the short irons.

Try pushing a little downwards with your left arm as you turn your left shoulder to give it a more vertical turn while feeling a slight pullig sensation with your right arm as it controls the width. I would also click on Golf Lessons above by pgapro I found it very helpful. Hope it's some help.