Help how do I stop casting ?

[Martin Levac]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

aftford, stop the personal attacks, please.


tpg1965, take note yourself:

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/tuition/index.html

Compare this to what is taught by the majority of teachers. They all teach to initiate the downswing with the lower body.


Martin Levac

[aftford]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

but this helps you to delay the release...which is not the same this as preventing a cast or flipping the wrists...

erm........it's exactly the same. if you are retaining the cocked wrists then it is impossible to cast.
casting happens at the top of the backswing when people throw their wrist ( gets its name from casting in fishing )
flipping the wrist comes after impact.

[aftford]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

aftford, stop the personal attacks, please.


tpg1965, take note yourself:

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/tuition/index.html

Compare this to what is taught by the majority of teachers. They all teach to initiate the downswing with the lower body.


Martin Levac

I don't go in for attacks of any kind, personal or othewrwise i am here to help, full stop.
There are many views and opinions regarding all the different elements that make up the game of golf. Advice that might give one person success won't necessarily give success to another.We are all uniquely built, both in physique and mental attributes and this is why we don't all play off scratch( and some , sadly ,never will ). The techniques that i teach and endorse, have been taught by much better golfers than you for many years. So how dare you refer to their teachings as bullsh*t. You were the one who made the attack and i spoke up in defence of all the great teachers of this sport .
Because you have found an unorthodox method that works for you . You have no right to attack the orthodox or more established methods.

cheers ...Andy

[shootin4par]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

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take a club and hold it straight up in front of you, cock and uncock the wrists and notice the club does not pass the hands
now hold the club straight up again and cup and uncup the wrists, when you cup the left wrist and flatten the right wrist the club will now be in front of your hands
so when you swing on the downswing if the cup of the hands is released first, before the cock, then you will flip into impact/cast. if you release the cock and then uncup, you will have a much better chance of hands ahead at impact.
so since the back swing and downswing are opposites, according to Hogan and many other great players/instructors, where the hands move back first follewed by arms, shoulders, hips, and legs. THe downswing will be legs, hips, shoulders, arms, and hands. So on the back swing if you cup before you cock then you will uncock before you uncup on the downswing. since the cup will still he held at impact, then the hands will be ahead of the ball

[golfonenemesis]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

I have posted this many times but here goes again:
To stop casting, one must visualize the correct swing path, in to out and release.
Here is how to do it:
1. take a light grip with left hand, club under the fat pad of little finger and right hand with knuckles pointing down to the ground.
2. when taking backswing, make it low and slow and allow the full turn of the shoulders
3. when taking the downswing, visualize pointing the butt end of the club down the ball to target line and allow the hands to release.
That's all you need to do.

[aftford]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

This is my last post on this thread. MARTIN, SHOOTIN, TEEVINO AND MYSELF have given sound and accurate advice and i am not willing to be drawn into a public slanging match with a certain member of this site.

Cheers folks

[troie]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

Cheers guys,

The pump drill helped a lot,I just need to practice it for a few weeks
but the feeling of hitting some good shots again has given me some
hope of getting my handicap down.

Thanks again
troie

[Martin Levac]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

I don't go in for attacks of any kind, personal or othewrwise i am here to help, full stop.
There are many views and opinions regarding all the different elements that make up the game of golf. Advice that might give one person success won't necessarily give success to another.We are all uniquely built, both in physique and mental attributes and this is why we don't all play off scratch( and some , sadly ,never will ). The techniques that i teach and endorse, have been taught by much better golfers than you for many years. So how dare you refer to their teachings as bullsh*t. You were the one who made the attack and i spoke up in defence of all the great teachers of this sport and you are not fit to clean the studds of their golfshoes.
Because you have found an unorthodox method that works for you . You have no right to attack the orthodox or more established methods.

cheers ...Andy

aftford,

"In your case Martin, i guess even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then."

"...not fit to clean the studds of their golfshoes."

That's the kind of personal attacks I'm refering to. I ask again, stop the personal attacks, please.

If the methods that you teach are so good, they must be able to stand on their own merit and withstand any attack from me or anybody else for that matter. The fundamentals that you speak of, are they the same ones we see from Jim Furyk, Bobby Jones, Tiger Woods, John Daly, Jack Nicklaus, etc? They don't look like they're so fundamental, all these players do them differently. How can anything they do differently be fundamental? If it's fundamental, it's done the same way by everybody, look at the apple fall from the tree, that's fundamental. There is one thing they all do the same way, proper contact with the ball. That's fundamental and there's no swing technique more fundamental than that.


If I remember correctly, the purpose of the golf swing is to send a ball to a target using a club. As nature would dictate, that's done by making proper contact with the ball. When I get carried away or begin to forget the above, I do the exercise I mentioned earlier in this thread.


Martin Levac

[Teevino]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

BTW Martin, Thanx for the link you posted above. I plan to read/work through all those lessons.. I remain teachable and open to all and am not bothered by a little intense forthrightness. Since I tend to be a bit that way myself from time to time.

[jcbdb]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

the club head should be behind the hands. Stick with your professional, allow the changes to in grain as part of your swing and ignore where the ball goes for now.

If you need drills then aftford's is a good one.

If you doubt your PGA pro get a second option from another to give you confidence, you may even find one you get on better with. I have to say if he hasn't given you decent drills to work on this then maybe you can do better. Have you only had one lesson on this?

Keep at it, good practice does not always mean good shots when getting used to a swing change!

Good luck

[rharris06]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

Shootin4par I still dont get your obsession for cupping the wrists as the first move back!

I admitt I have seen 3-4 pros do this, but it is a very hard move to master! Amatuers would be better off sticking to the one piece takeaway useing more of the body, shoulders.

Cheers,
Ricky

[shootin4par]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

Shootin4par I still dont get your obsession for cupping the wrists as the first move back!

I admitt I have seen 3-4 pros do this, but it is a very hard move to master! Amatuers would be better off sticking to the one piece takeaway useing more of the body, shoulders.

Cheers,
Ricky

If we met in person the explanation and the examples would be much easier, some of it relates to biomechanics of the human body. by cupping the rear wrist first and then cocking it, the act of cocking it locks in the cup. the cup will then stay untill after the cock has been released with little or no effort. Do you by chance have hogans book? in there he talks about the waggle and his waggle was a cupping of the rear hand, so in order to ingrain this easily all you have to do is practice your waggle.

I understand why some people have a hard time believing the cup as a first move back is a good route to go, it took a while for me to believe it and that was with discussions and demenstrations that were in person.
have a good one
neil

[vp27519]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

Have this problem and been working on correcting this problem for a very long time.

Long winded response - sorry in advance.

What has caused my loop - I played golf for a couple of years as a junior. For reasons I stopped and didn't continue coaching.

My problem was alignment. At address I was right of the target. Subconsciously I had to pull the ball to get it on target. This is one factor that has caused my swing problem.

Another factor had been playing softball. At impact shoulders are open in this game. In golf they need to be square at impact.

I've had many keys and drills to try and fix my problem.

I don't have this problem if I maintain spine angle and keeps hips in position. Nor do I have it when shoulders are square at impact.

Currently working on visualising the club head at the top of the back swing coming down inside the target line. I only think of this in practice sessions with the 9 iron and in my pre-shot routine.

When I practice I always have a club on the ground b/w myself and the ball pararell (hard word to spell) to the target line. This is to help alignment. I have wood covers or a towel rolled up near the ball so if I come out to in I'll hit it. Sometimes I have a umbrella closed, stuck into the ground a foot directly behind the ball. If out to in - I'll hit the umbrella.

Working hard on keeping shoulders square at impact with golf. This will stop the cast at the top. Stay behind the ball at impact.

Good luck.

[Teevino]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

Shootin4par I still dont get your obsession for cupping the wrists as the first move back!

I admitt I have seen 3-4 pros do this, but it is a very hard move to master! Amatuers would be better off sticking to the one piece takeaway useing more of the body, shoulders.

Cheers,
Ricky

I am very much an amateur, 7 months into the game. Not to steal shootins thunder but after reading his waggle and cup thread I began to do this and make it the first part of my swing. It is so ingrained now I just do it and when I try to just do a straight back single motion I still do it. I'm glad I do. It makes all my swings more precise in so many ways, not the least of which is rythm and timing. I have seen almost no players (none I've played with) who cup before taking their arms back on their chip and pitch shots much less there other swings. For me this is the only sensible way to make those shots. It takes all the guess work out of the swing and makes for very precise contact. As an amature beginner why not start this way rather than trying to learn it later when you've already formed other ingrained habits. I'm glad I did.

[billneurauter]

Re: Help how do I stop casting ?

This is a great thread. I have been flipping my wrists for the past few months with little success in changing it. It's to the point where I am almost scared to video myself because I know what it's going to show.

I have found a bit of hope in concentrating on my grip throughout the swing. I found that at the begginning of the downswing I was moving my left shoulder so fast that I was losing my right hand grip on the club. As a result my right elbow would get stuck behind my hip and I had to flip. It's going to take a while for me to change but I hope I am on the right path here. Just another thing to watch for. Good luck.