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  • #31
    Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

    Yeah, the really annoying thing is how I can whip my practice swing through inside to out as fast as I like, finishing with a full follow through, but put a ball there and everything changes - my follow through barely reaches horizontal and the swing path is rarely inside to out, and even if it is, I'm thinking about too many things to remember to release the hands properly so I just block and push to the right.
    I shall try to just swing through the 10'o clock position and forget everything else I think, although my home course has OOB down the right on the first 5 holes so this is very difficult to do with your subconscious telling you to swing over to the left to keep the ball away from the OOB.
    Last edited by mariner; 07-25-2006, 09:13 AM.

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    • #32
      Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

      Stick at it mate .. they say the most impoprtant 6 inches of golf is between your ears. Its actually more frustrating I think when you know you have a good swing but your brain wont let you use it on the course...

      One tip I would have is think tempo. Make that your one swing thought. That sort of eradicates all the other things youre trying to think about

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      • #33
        Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

        But then I'll swing out to in with perfect tempo!!

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        • #34
          Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

          Originally posted by mariner
          Yeah, the really annoying thing is how I can whip my practice swing through inside to out as fast as I like, finishing with a full follow through, but put a ball there and everything changes - my follow through barely reaches horizontal and the swing path is rarely inside to out, and even if it is, I'm thinking about too many things to remember to release the hands properly so I just block and push to the right.
          I shall try to just swing through the 10'o clock position and forget everything else I think, although my home course has OOB down the right on the first 5 holes so this is very difficult to do with your subconscious telling you to swing over to the left to keep the ball away from the OOB.
          When you watch most people their practice swings are smoother than their real swing and it's because when the ball is there they hit at it rather than through it.

          I know it's an old adage but its true, you have to somehow train yourself to hit through the ball or collect it with the club face. I try to imagine I am hitting a ball placed just in front of the real one.

          Regards
          Brian

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          • #35
            Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

            Originally posted by mariner
            But then I'll swing out to in with perfect tempo!!
            If you think/say this, then it will be true.

            I am not saying this to be offensive in any way, but you need to work on trying to break this mental block because it will hinder your development. This may sound corny, but 'you need to allow yourself to change'. And statements like the above do not help.

            Anecdote:
            I was playing on July 16th and paired up with a father and a son (who I have never met before). By about the fourth hole I could really tell how each was swinging. The father was abismal but I think he just liked playing with his son. The son had a very nice swing, but was too tentitive on the actual swing. After he decelerated on chip shot to knock it ahead by 2 feet and still in the rough. I asked him "What are you afraid of?" He said "Skulling it and shooting it 40yds away." I said "So who cares if you are 40yds away. You would have learned more on that shot than you did by decelerating on this one. Because you already knew that you shouldn't decelerate." We continued to talk about the "irrationallity of fear in golf" (ie nobody should die from a mishit) and "trusting one's swing" throughout the round. Early in the round he was talking about quitting. He ended the round with 4 pars in a row, a feat that he had never done before and he was excited about playing again.

            I realize that this post has not been on how to fix OTT but I think it may help you in a different way in the long run.

            Charles
            Last edited by Started2k3; 07-25-2006, 01:08 PM.

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            • #36
              Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

              Yes, its breaking that negative mind set and freeing yourself to hit the ball. I cant remember how many times I played a few years back when I thought 'F** IT', after about 11 holes of playing rubbish and then just let go and played the last 8 holes brilliantly. Then turned up the next week feeling like I could do it again and then put all sorts of pressure on myself mentally which I could never live up to

              I know this sounds corny but if I start feeling tense and afraid before or during a round, or after a bad shot, I close my eyes and think of my 3 year old lad similing at me and belting about. Makes me realise whats really important in my life and instantly relaxes me. Having a good pre shot routine really helps too, as does a swing trigger

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              • #37
                Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                My problem is that the OTT swing is my natural move, it's what my body does if I don't think about it, so I just can't play without thinking as I know I should.
                I need to ingrain a new inside-out swingpath until THAT becomes my natural move, then I can play without thinking too much, but at the moment I'm searching for one magic move that I can work on to bring that change about.

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                • #38
                  Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                  Originally posted by mariner
                  My problem is that the OTT swing is my natural move, it's what my body does if I don't think about it, so I just can't play without thinking as I know I should.
                  I need to ingrain a new inside-out swingpath until THAT becomes my natural move, then I can play without thinking too much, but at the moment I'm searching for one magic move that I can work on to bring that change about.
                  I am sorry. I did not realize that you have a physical disability that makes OTT your natural move. A guy at my club had polio as a kid and as a result has absolutely no strength in his lead arm and hand so essentially he has to swing entirely with his right arm and hand. He has an OTT swing also, but has compensated by aiming well to the left and and letting the spin bring it back to the target path. He plays to a 34 hdcp - which is pretty good since he can't hit it further than 150yds. Is this the situation you are in?

                  FYI - I had a very severe OUT-IN club head path - I also thought it was natural for me. I mentioned to my pro "I keep on hitting out to in." His response "Well don't". From that point on I decided that hitting from out-to-in was in my past. I have worked very hard on having a very near to square impact path, which means that only the face angle at impact affects ball flight (which is very easy to fix).

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                  • #39
                    Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                    Fantastic! The cure is found at last! The way to stop hitting out to in is . . . . . . . "don't hit out to in"
                    In all my 20 years of trying not to hit out to in I never thought of that!
                    No doubt this peice of advice applies to the rest of the game too, so I am now a scratch golfer - all I have to think is "don't miss greens in regulation" and "don't three-putt"

                    Sorry, couldn't resist it.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                      Mariner

                      If youve got to last resort time, have you considered trying the one plane swing? If you get the backswing right its impossible to come OTT - indeed you actively want to turn your shoulders as hard as you can from the top

                      If you want I can give you a few things to try out at the range just to see if you liked it and wanted to take it further? Let me know

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                      • #41
                        Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                        Oh No! You don't want to do that!

                        Seriously though, look at that video clip I posted, I used to slice with an OTT swing, I worked hard dropping the club down into the release position, I now have a sound straight drive (That is unless I forget my own advice sometimes).

                        Good Luck
                        Brian

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                        • #42
                          Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                          Originally posted by pnearn
                          Mariner

                          If youve got to last resort time, have you considered trying the one plane swing? If you get the backswing right its impossible to come OTT - indeed you actively want to turn your shoulders as hard as you can from the top

                          If you want I can give you a few things to try out at the range just to see if you liked it and wanted to take it further? Let me know
                          Yes please, I was trying this and there was an improvement, but I was still cutting across a little, so maybe I was doing it wrong?

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                          • #43
                            Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                            Originally posted by mariner
                            Yes please, I was trying this and there was an improvement, but I was still cutting across a little, so maybe I was doing it wrong?
                            The key to the 1PS is the takeaway. It will be far more inside than you are used to. You have to be very centered at address and then make a connected turn where your hands go almost over your right foot. Keep that left arm tight to the chest

                            When the club is parallel you want the club to be pointing slightly behind you
                            They KEY here is to keep the clubhead outside the hands. So take it away on the inside, left arm close to the chest, hands go over the right foot, clubhead outside the hands. This will feel very inside but stick with it. Width in the 1PS comes from getting the club more around/behind you than away from you as in the 2PS. Swing will also feel mich more compact and you should feel very centered. If you sway you cant turn the club behind you ...

                            From here simply lift the club to the top by almost pulling your right hand up with your left hand but dont overdo it. Check when the club is at 9 o o'clock the butt of the club is pointin roughly at the ball. If youve rolled your arms too much to the inside the club will be pointing way ahead of the ball

                            Then to swing down rotate the shoulders as hard as you can keeping that left arm pinned to the chest and the arms as loose as you can make them

                            Have a go and see how you get on

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                            • #44
                              Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                              Here's a link to Jim McLean's thoughts on how to make his one-plane swing.

                              http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...ingplane1.html

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                              • #45
                                Re: Over the top - Is there one thing you can do to make it impossible?

                                Brian, that Ritson video was excellent and provided a great answer. Thanks for doing that. I think the hardest part of the swing to explain and simplify is the finish of the backswing and the start down. I know that I have a certain feel I am looking for, but what it looks like I have little idea. Ritson's idea goes along with the "back and up" concept of the backswing, I think.

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