the wall drill

[shootin4par]

Greg, sliding is something I have an issue with, it is weird because sometimes I am pivoting good and other times I slide too much. ON tape my left hip will be about six inches past where it was at address, at impact. Not enough turning, too much sliding. IN looking at your wall drill, do you want the weight over top of the left foot or a little on the inside of it? on the back swing we load into the rear foot, not over top of it.
thanks

[GregJWillis]

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"Over the top of it" in the "toe/heal" difference, I like equal distribution. The "outside/inside" difference, I think it is natural to feel more on the outside after impact, but this is no indication yet of sliding.

(If I may...the wall drill helps 2 assertions. Full rotation prior to impact -- your personal flaxability dictates this ability where the streaching exercize will help. And the other is weight transfer to the front requires simple balance. Posing there against the wall for 10 seconds and in a state of relaxation does wonders for the body's ability to remember)

[pnearn]

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Shootin

Out of interest do you ever slide on the backswing too? I have an occasional issue where my body follows my hands backwards on the BS and I can see on video how my hips and upper body have shifted to the right. When I do that I tend to slide back past the ball through impact and hit pushes/blocks. Its something im always having to check

When im hitting the ball well I tend to 'feel' as if I have almost 50/50 weight distribution at the top but this may be an exaggeration to the previous feeling of having weight outside my right foot

[Simon Woo]

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How far do you reckon one has slided back (at least) to lose feeling the weight on the inside of the right foot? That said, is it still better to feel weight on the outside right foot than anywhere on the left foot? :P

[pnearn]

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Simon

I like to feel I do it all at setup where I maybe put 60/40 weight onto the inside of my right foot via tilting my core (axis tilt). I close my eyes and try and sense where my weight, and also my knee flex and 'feel' these things. I then want to swing to the top with my upper body and have the exact same feelings of weight distribution/flex at the top, chest over my right knee

I know my hips will turn but if they slide my weight will be on the outside of my right foot. I sometimes use the right foot turned in or the ball under the outside of the foot to help with the feelings

One thing I have found is key. Dont try and restrict the hips from turning. Let them turn. Turning is good. Just dont let them slide

[Al56]

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Hi Greg,

Regarding the impact or wall drill, I have a question about the associated shoulder turn.

Assume that I retain the spine angle from setup through impact so that my upper torso rotates around the spine (i.e. the spine angle does not change through the swing, untill the follow through where it may become more upright). If this is the case, and at setup if the ball is aligned with the sweet spot of the club, then the club will more likely strike the ball with the sweet spot if my shoulders are square at impact (the hips should be open or straining to point to the target to maintain the rotational tension on the upper
torso).

If the shoulders are open at impact, as in the impact/wall drill, does that not imply that the distance between left shoulder and ball is now greater than at address and the club will strike the ball with the bottom half of the club or worse still I am going to top the ball ?

Do not take this the wrong way, I am not being critical here since I think the impact drill has considerable merit. I am merely concerned about the impact of the shoulders being so open at impact (instead of much more square to the ball).

Al

[shootin4par]

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Shootin

Out of interest do you ever slide on the backswing too? I have an occasional issue where my body follows my hands backwards on the BS and I can see on video how my hips and upper body have shifted to the right. When I do that I tend to slide back past the ball through impact and hit pushes/blocks. Its something im always having to check

When im hitting the ball well I tend to 'feel' as if I have almost 50/50 weight distribution at the top but this may be an exaggeration to the previous feeling of having weight outside my right foot

I dont really slide back on the back swing, I still have the weight on the inside of my right foot. I check my swing out on video, the problem comes when I get near the top of my back swing, I will start to fall onto the left and then I dont post up the left leg, which will allow me to come on top of the ball, nor turn my hips left enough.

[shootin4par]

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Hi Greg,

Regarding the impact or wall drill, I have a question about the associated shoulder turn.

Assume that I retain the spine angle from setup through impact so that my upper torso rotates around the spine (i.e. the spine angle does not change through the swing, untill the follow through where it may become more upright). If this is the case, and at setup if the ball is aligned with the sweet spot of the club, then the club will more likely strike the ball with the sweet spot if my shoulders are square at impact (the hips should be open or straining to point to the target to maintain the rotational tension on the upper
torso).

If the shoulders are open at impact, as in the impact/wall drill, does that not imply that the distance between left shoulder and ball is now greater than at address and the club will strike the ball with the bottom half of the club or worse still I am going to top the ball ?

Do not take this the wrong way, I am not being critical here since I think the impact drill has considerable merit. I am merely concerned about the impact of the shoulders being so open at impact (instead of much more square to the ball).

Al

would the distance be greater, yes, but will your club also be further away from your chest at impact, yes. The angle between your left arm and the club shaft will be reduced by centrifigul force and also your shoulders may stretch down a little more from the force of the club. so if at address you have straight arms and club shaft with extended shoulders pushing down, then you would have a problem with the shoulders being open. but since we dont set up that way we dont have a problem

[Al56]

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> angle between your left arm and the club shaft
Yes. Forgot to factor that in.

So is it safe to say that at impact the shoulders can be as open as one can get them to get maximum pull on the arms to whip them through the impact position (assuming offcourse that the hips are opening faster then the upper torso) ?

[shootin4par]

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if your shoulders are pivoting correctly around your spine, then they cannot rotate too fast

[shootin4par]

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thanks for your response greg. I am going to incorperate this with the chair drill where I will make 100 body turns a day without a club while keeping my butt against a chair. Now when I do this my right cheek on the way back actually pusshes up harder against the chair then at address because it is rotating instead of staying in place. So the right cheek actually rotates a little closer to the target, then on the forward swing the left will do the same. ANymore thoughts on that or other good ways to get this motion ingrained? thanks. It stinks when you know what to do and the physics behind it but still have to clean things up on the swing. That is the life of a golfer

[kbp]

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......The angle between your left arm and the club shaft will be reduced by centrifigul force .....

I agree with the principle here, but it would seem that straightening out this angle would tend to put the club in a more "toe down" position at impact than at address, wouldn’t it?
Maybe Greg will jump in here, too. I believe he’s described a sort of "hammering down" thought while releasing his wrist cock. It would seem that if you completely release your wrist cock (true cocking....up and down..not swatting) that this angle would be tending to completely straighten out and put you "toe down" especially if your hands return to impact slightly higher than address. Maybe you could elaborate a bit.

[shootin4par]

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I agree with the principle here, but it would seem that straightening out this angle would tend to put the club in a more "toe down" position at impact than at address, wouldn’t it?
Maybe Greg will jump in here, too. I believe he’s described a sort of "hammering down" thought while releasing his wrist cock. It would seem that if you completely release your wrist cock (true cocking....up and down..not swatting) that this angle would be tending to completely straighten out and put you "toe down" especially if your hands return to impact slightly higher than address. Maybe you could elaborate a bit.

yes it will put it in a more toe down position, that is one of the reasons that when you get fitted for clubs that they want the toe to sit up a little at address and not be soled flat, the other is the shaft bends down. In the golf swing there are laws of physics that are involved. Centrifigul force is an out ward motion from an inward pull. The left shoulder is pulling inward while the club head is goint outward. Centrifigul force is not really a principle or theory, it is a law of physics. This motion will produce an inline condition, which in the golf swing will be completely inline just after impact, but at impact will be pretty close to a straight line. I hope that makes some sense and clarifies a little , if not let me know and I will try to expand on it. Maybe greg or someone else could chime in as well