My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

[Chris23]

Hi, I am working on my backswing, In my opinion theres no better swing than adam scott...heres a picture with us in the same positions...Please tell me something i can work on

PS. im not trying to emulate adam's swing...I just need tips..cheers.

[shootin4par]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

the difference, you are starting to reverse pivot, he is not. Your shoulders need to get more behind the ball
two places you can tell what you are doing from 1/3 of the way up your back to the top, draw a line on you and him, tell me the difference
left shoulder at the top, his is closer to being over his right foot, yours is closer to center of your stance

[jamesh]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Very astute shooting for par! Yesterday in the Eight Step Swing, by Jim McLean, I was watching him demonstrate a reverse pivot and I thought, yep, that’s exactly what I do. McLean observed “Think of your takeaway as a move to the side rather than a turn around your body thinking of it as a turn leaves you highly prone to a reverse pivot.” He also suggested that your first move for the back swing ought to be a slight move forward this would also help to offset a reverse pivot - i'm just not sure how.

Now assuming Chris23, couldn't turn his shoulders any further back, to prevent the reverse pivot what would he have to do....perhaps turn his hips less....

Chris23 in that same video, McLean said it was a mistake to have your left arm too straight. It should be more natural and have a slight bend.

I hope this helps, and good luck.

James

[shootin4par]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Very astute shooting for par! Yesterday in the Eight Step Swing, by Jim McLean, I was watching him demonstrate a reverse pivot and I thought, yep, that’s exactly what I do. McLean observed “Think of your takeaway as a move to the side rather than a turn around your body thinking of it as a turn leaves you highly prone to a reverse pivot.” He also suggested that your first move for the back swing ought to be a slight move forward this would also help to offset a reverse pivot - i'm just not sure how.

Now assuming Chris23, couldn't turn his shoulders an further back, to prevent the reverse pivot what would he have to do....perhaps turn his hips less....

see the issue is not how far he turns his shoulder, it is that his spine is forward at the top of the backswwing of where it was at address. look at the picture again, his spine is 1 inch inside his back, if at the top of the backswing you draw a line down where his spine is, it is now two inches forward of center, which is slightely ahead of where adams scotts is. BUT his camera angle is not straight on but rather a little forward of that so if you putt it straight on then his spine is 3-4 inches forward of adam scotts
so what would I do,
take a shaft and put it going down his right leg an 1 inch off his hip at address. Then I would hold a shaft pointing at the center of his chest. I would then tell him to tunr his hips while missing the shaft on the leg and have him get used to that a little, then I would tell him to do the same but get the shoulders behind the shaft I am holding in front of his chest. The only way he will do that is if he frees up his head and lets it move how it naturally wants to. Now no more reverse pivot and spine angle is kept. many golfers would do very well with those drills I said
thanks for the kind words james
neil

[Chris23]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

shootin for par your a legend... thanks so much for the in depth reply so quickly...ill try everything you said and film my swing when ive worked on it...your a great member! Cheers

[BrianW]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Without distracting anything from what Shootin has said, here is a simple drill to help you learn how to shift your weight. See this video lesson:

http://www.ritson-sole.com/golf-tips...hift-problems/

[Started2k3]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

I am not a pro, but here is what I see.

I agree that you have some measure of reverse pivot. I think this will be sorted out by the aforementioned drills.

I thought I would just post how I see it, by looking at where the right knee cap is pointing. On Adam it is pointing at the camera (maybe slightly left), while your knee is pointing about 30° to 40° to the left of the camera (camera pov).

Here is an experiment to test this. Stand on your right foot, with a slightly bent knee. Now try to point your knee to the right and you will find that you want to fall back onto your left foot or you will shift your upper body to the left. If you point your knee left then you will need to shift your upper body to the right.

Charles

[Ian Hancock]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Hi Chris,

What the guy's have advised is great, I agree you are starting to piviot your weight onto the left side to early, Adam looks set to drop inside and you look like your going to throw the club out.

What needs to be said is you are on the right track for learning the swing, find a model similar build to yourself and check you swing against theirs but don't try to copy there swing just the basics.

I always use Langer who is the same height and built as me here is my backswing at the side of him.

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...st-lesson.html

Ian.

[msklar92]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Think a little more horizontal than vertical on the backswing. Left shoulder over the right knee is a good thought. One caveat, if you get to the position AS is in, you are going to feel as if you are miles from the ball and will take you while to figure out how to get back to it.

[shootin4par]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Without distracting anything from what Shootin has said, here is a simple drill to help you learn how to shift your weight. See this video lesson:

http://www.ritson-sole.com/golf-tips...hift-problems/

I checked that out brian, the thing I dont like about it is his hips are moving quite a bit in the backswing and, IMHO, too much on the downswing. Look how far his head is past the ball in his imaginary impact, and he does not have a solid left side at all. he looks to be swaying his hips rather then turning them enough. put some lines on him at set up and look how much he moves around, that is my observation. As long as Chris gets his hips to clear the shaft and shoulder behind a shaft pointing at the center of his chest, he will have plenty of weight shift.

[slater170]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

"What needs to be said is you are on the right track for learning the swing, find a model similar build to yourself and check you swing against theirs but don't try to copy there swing just the basics"
can anyone tell me then who is 5' 9" and 165 pounds who has a solid swing to compare with?

[BrianW]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Hi,

Just one final comment. Your clubface is quite open at the top, look at the other picture and you can just see that his clubface is pointing down more, it should be around 45 deg to the ground. I would suggest your grip is too weak or you are bowing your left wrist.

[shootin4par]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Hi,

Just one final comment. Your clubface is quite open at the top, look at the other picture and you can just see that his clubface is pointing down more, it should be around 45 deg to the ground. I would suggest your grip is too weak or you are bowing your left wrist.

Brian, in your post you say two contradicting things. You say his wrist is bowed and you say his clubface is open.
the more down the clubface points the more the face is open. The more up to the sky the clubface points the more it is closed. The more cupped the left wrist is the more the face points down/open. The flatter or more bowed the left wrist is the more the clubface is facing the sky/closed.

To me his clubface looks about right if he has a flat left wrist, his right wrist looks very similar to adams so unless his left hand grip is very different I would say his arms.hands are just fine

[BrianW]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Brian, in your post you say two contradicting things. You say his wrist is bowed and you say his clubface is open.
the more down the clubface points the more the face is open. The more up to the sky the clubface points the more it is closed. The more cupped the left wrist is the more the face points down/open. The flatter or more bowed the left wrist is the more the clubface is facing the sky/closed.

To me his clubface looks about right if he has a flat left wrist, his right wrist looks very similar to adams so unless his left hand grip is very different I would say his arms.hands are just fine

Shootin,

You are correct, I had that the wrong way round, my apologies.

I would say his clubface is closed and pointing up, he should cup his wrist more as he appears to have a strong grip. Compare Adams clubface.

[edshaw]

Re: My Backswing compared to Adam Scott - please tell me the differences

Notice how the folds in Adam's golf shirt
provide an illustration of the lines of torque.
Remember my illustration of the pro baseball
player who kept talking about "putting the
onion to it."? There's your onion: the layered
muscles of the torso.
Also, look carefully at the muscular development
of the left side covering the rib cage. See the
bulge in the tee shirt? There lies the source
of Adam's power.