how long cupped?

[Goldfinch]

How long after/before impact do I have to hold right wrist cupped? How do I have to flip the hands through the ball properly? Is the left wrist getting cupped after impact? thx.

[GregJWillis]

Re: how long cupped?

For me, there is no flipping at all. The left wrist always stays flat. The Right stays cupped as long as you can. Definatly into impact. But if it goes flat after, that's ok...you already hit the ball.

[shootin4par]

Re: how long cupped?

gold, you dont HOLD it cupped, it stays that way because of correct movements in the swing

[edshaw]

Re: how long cupped?

I am a little confused about what we are
talking about, here. When you refer to the
right wrist being "cupped," do you mean
the hand open or closed? It can only be
open, right? I mean, the right hand is
(as some would say) slapping the baby's
bottom. That is the action you are looking
for, isn't it? That is, the slap action of
the right hand. (Not that there are not
other acceptable actions.)
-----------------------
Hogan talks about this a lot in The Five
Fundamentals. On page 99 you can see
the right hand action illustrated. On that
same page, you can also see what the left
hand is doing during the sequence.
The hand action through the ball is central
to what is called "the release" of the right side.
----------------
Hogan's discussion of the left hand and the
illustration on page 102 gave rise to what have
probably been the most puzzling and contro-
versial discussions in modern golf. I won't
pretend to explain the concept, but I will
say the ideas on those pages make most
sense to me when applied to the principle
of keeping the hands "under" the swing plane.

[lgskywalker37]

Re: how long cupped?

gold, you dont HOLD it cupped, it stays that way because of correct movements in the swing

thats some good advice S4P

if i may elaborate on that....... not only is it not trying to hold it cupped, but it is actually the opossite, you are actully trying to uncup it as hard as you can while the club head is going backwards (and building pressure and bending the shaft by resisting the direction of travel) but becuase of the correct transition and DS movement, it can't uncup unil after impact, and then it does it with great power and speed.

some might disagree with me but i think all the power comes from the arms (the right arm more specifically)

the golf swing is kind of like jumping (Plyometric). pro's could go to the top of BS then stop...... and then DS, they would lose tons of power just like when bending down to jump, if paused. but just as in jumping, you can bend faster of further (to the extent of you rmusclular strenght) and you would jump higher.

you are supposed to "swing from the top" (not over the top, still from the inside to outside) but start trying to hit the ball from the top of your BS. and you would end up coming over the top or casting if you didn't unwind the body and have a rotation. that pause or transitional phase you see golfers have is the body moving and positioning so that they can unwind all that plyometric (bouncing or changing the direction of movement) can be unleased on the ball. that is why pro's can bend shafts, the club head wants to keep going back and they want it to go foward and the shaft bends resisting that foward motion until you get into about impact postion when the club head releases all that energy you were building in the shaft with the "bouncing" into the ball. the lower and upper body just help rotate and help the arms resist the club head so they do give distance and are very important, (but indirectly), directly all the power comes from the arms. but to hit strait and long you still need proper contact which is done through proper fundamentals and good weight shift, maintaining spine angle, tush line, and pivoting correctly.

the right hand can uncup exactly at impact and be fine or stay cupped into impact and be good too, but it must not uncup before impact, while your right hand is cupped you are still accelerating and uncuping is the last bit of acceleration you get. once you are uncupped, you lose that acceleration (which is fine after impact) so you are usually about half uncupped through impact as you still have some acceleration left. but it is not because of timing, it is because of proper body position that you were able to be half cupped at impact.

the left arm resist the club from going back by trying to uncock.... so while the left hand in trying to uncock, the right hand is trying to uncup.

the BS speed of tempo is determined by ones strength (as a jump is as well) too slow is always better than too fast. if too slow you can still get some "bouncing motion" but too fast you will (just as in jumping) no be able to DS fast enough and it will be out of control and you might hurt yourself. and the length of the DS is determined by the lenght of th club, the longer the club is the longer the BS you will need and slower the tempo will seem to get and under control bouncing. however long it takes the left hand to cock and the right hand to cup naturally (not forced) is how long/short you need your BS to be, and the tempo is determined by that and strength.

I am a little confused about what we are
talking about, here. When you refer to the
right wrist being "cupped,"

cup refers to: put your right hand out like shaking hands then move back of hand right towards arm (cupping) and move palm left towards arm (uncupping). cocking is moving thumb towards arm in an up motion and uncocking is moving pinkie finger towards arm in a down motion

[GolfJunkieSr]

Re: how long cupped?

Like different makes of shaft having different flexes which are the same, I read alot of posts that are putting different names on older different swing movements which are the same. When I was learning to swing a club, there was only two movements of the wrists. Those being cocking, and hinging. With your palms together, cocking was an up and down motion with the the wrists, while the hinging was a side to side motion with the wrists. Is not cupping the same as hinging? Then again maybe I am just suffering from "old timers" disease. GJS

[lgskywalker37]

Re: how long cupped?

Is not cupping the same as hinging? GJS

yes cupping is same as hinging

[shootin4par]

Re: how long cupped?

thats some good advice S4P

if i may elaborate on that....... not only is it not trying to hold it cupped, but it is actually the opossite, you are actully trying to uncup it as hard as you can while the club head is going backwards

if most golfers were to try and do this they would be flirting with disaster