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**GregJWillis** · 10-27-2006, 01:29 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Overswinging can come from disconnection of the arms from the chest. Work a bit on keeping the arms inside the shoulder's width. As you turn back with only the shoulders, let the arms stay in connection to this movement. Then let the arms raise up...up is ok, because you still are connected "vertically". It's when the arms go outside the shoulders that disconnection happens.

**jcbdb** · 10-27-2006, 01:48 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Greg - thanks for thie quick response.

I will give this a go, I was always taught to pull my left arm across my chest so I guess my arms and hands are working independently.

Cheers

JCBDB

**bill reed** · 10-27-2006, 02:02 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

hi
watch your tempo too i find if i get to fast i tend to over swing and i now count to myself as i swing and that seems to stop me doing it, before i would sometimes see the driver head flash in my left eye when i was trying to hit the ball real long and on video i was overswinging and my left heal lifted a little, but what sorted it was swinging at 90% and not 100% and keeping the same tempo on each shot.
bill

**GregJWillis** · 10-27-2006, 02:08 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Originally posted by jcbdb

...I was always taught to pull my left arm across my chest...

You can bring them across, but keep it "inside" the shoulders. So the move to the top will keep the hands at most, inline with the right shoulder...nothing more.

**jcbdb** · 10-27-2006, 03:14 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Thankyou both for your input.

I think my tempo has always been good, maybe a little lazy at times. However, I think I subconciously reach for the extra distance and overswing!

Greg - just to clarify

Originally posted by GregJWillis

You can bring them across, but keep it "inside" the shoulders. So the move to the top will keep the hands at most, inline with the right shoulder...nothing more.

Are you saying that the arms can come across my chest but not above the line of my shoulder plane? I pretty much do this - so if you looked at my swing from behind you would see my left arm intercepting my right shoulder at the point the club is horizontal to the ground.

I think this is the point where it breaks down - my left arm breaks too much - I can;t stop my hands from carrying on and lose control of the club....just an observation from trying it out just now. Could I be swinging too much with my hands/arms still?

**GregJWillis** · 10-27-2006, 03:54 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

No, the "Inline" referrs to the width of the shoulders, not the hight. So you can bring your arms as high as you want...just not outside the shoulder's width.

What happens if you have the arms outside the shoulders is they break-down and wrap-around the body. You now have to "un-wrap" them. This may seem powerful to you, but it is not. Keeping the arms within the shoulders will allow the arms to stay connected and any body (hip/torso/shoulder) rotation will take the arms with them in a very controllable mannor. All you have to do now, is let the arms drop back down.

**SIRCHOPALOT** · 10-27-2006, 04:10 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Originally posted by GregJWillis

No, the "Inline" referrs to the width of the shoulders, not the hight. So you can bring your arms as high as you want...just not outside the shoulder's width.

What happens if you have the arms outside the shoulders is they break-down and wrap-around the body. You now have to "un-wrap" them. This may seem powerful to you, but it is not. Keeping the arms within the shoulders will allow the arms to stay connected and any body (hip/tordo/shoulder) rotation will take the arms with them in a very controllable mannor. All you have to do now, is let the arms drop back down.

You have a knack. What a great explanation!

**BrianW** · 10-27-2006, 04:18 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Hi Jcbdp,

here is some advice I gave to someone who had a similar problem. maybe it will help?

Over swinging in the back swing is normally caused by early rotation of the right side, this results in poor positioning of the club and loss of power.

Here is a drill to help you get the correct feel by allowing your right leg to form a boundary that you can load and coil into but not beyond:

Take a normal address position with a mid iron. Draw your left foot back until your big toe is in line with the heel of your right foot. Have a slightly narrower stance than normal and the ball an inch inside your left heel.

As you make your back swing try to maintain the same amount of flex in your right knee that you had at address.

Repeat this exercise and get the feel of the right leg creating torque and anchoring the upper right torso. Try to recreate the same feeling in your normal golf swing.

As well as this ensure your feet (especially the left) are turned out to around 30 degrees in your normal address position, this will also create torque and resistance in the back swing.

**jcbdb** · 10-27-2006, 06:51 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Thanks - I will give this all a go.

Greg - you have hit the nail on the head. My arms do wrap around my body and I have just looked at a few our pros swings against mine and there is an obvious difference!

Thanks again.

JCBDB

**jcbdb** · 10-28-2006, 09:02 AM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Just an idea but things such as a slice, overswing etc are pretty common and I see the same questions again and again.

I guess the likes of Greg are very patient repeating similar advice for the same issues! Would the site benefit from a common faults and fixes section where such posts can be "filed" for easy reference when members have a problem?

Thanks again for all the input - the grip at the top is not quite right but I think this is a loss of control due to the speed and excessive movement in my arms and hands.

I will focus on staying connected at first, get this embedded in my swing then see where I am.

**Christo** · 10-30-2006, 08:43 AM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

I had the same problem a while back. The problem for me was that my right leg wasn't anchoring my backswing. What happened was that my right leg was moving backwards(away from the ball) slightly, because my right leg wasn't flexed enough. The result was an overrotation of the hips and no power created in the backswing.No coiling action.

Check your head at the backswing position as well. Should be behind the ball. Don't tilt over to the left side at the top of the backswing.

Hope this helps a bit.

**snake** · 10-30-2006, 03:14 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

I see Gregs comments about keeping the arms inside the shoulders.
Back and forth I notice attempts to clarify what this actually means.
I am sorry but I still cant visualise what Greg means by "inside the shoulders".
Can anybody (Greg) make it clear for the "hard of thinking" like me.

**GregJWillis** · 10-30-2006, 03:49 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Originally posted by snake

keeping the arms inside the shoulders

"...the "Inline" referrs to the width of the shoulders, not the hight. So you can bring your arms as high as you want...just not outside the shoulder's width..."
What do you need help in? This?

**snake** · 10-30-2006, 05:14 PM

Re: Overswing - any ideas as to the root cause?!

Hi, still a bit "thick"
can you make any clearer ???
I must be totally mis-understanding this "inside" term

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