Rotating the arms after impact

[bobby ping]

Should I fully rotate my arms just after impact to create club head speed?

This seems to be very tricky because of the timing has to be perfect. The other method I use currently is a later wrist cock on the backswing less club head rotation and the distance suffers but the ball tends to go straighter. Getting the club toe rotations with less body movement really feels crisper but inconsistent outcomes.

My current method can backfire if my lower body out paces my swing causing a block.

Which method is the best to practice and how? I'm an 18 handicap.

Bobby P.

[Ian Hancock]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Hi Bobby,

In my opinion there is NO rotation of the wrists at the moment of impact, if you understand the golf swing, drop your swing from the top into the impact position, the clubface stays square until a few inches after impact and then rotates.

Trying to rotate the hands at the moment of impact would be most inconsistant.


Hope this helps

Ian.

[BrianW]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Hi,

Rolling the wrists through impact is a very difficult manoeuvre, golfers do it often in vain to stop slicing.

As promoted by "Nick Bradley" I prefer the "Puck" release, this is similar to the way an ice hockey player propels the puck forward on the ice. You need to allow your right wrist to push under your left through impact, this gives additional acceleration and keeps the club face square to the target much longer than wrist rotation. there will inevitably be a degree of forearm rotation as you progress past impact though.

To help with the image think that you have a thin piece of string tied midway up your right forearm and tightly halfway down the club at address. As you hit through the ball imagine you will try to SNAP the string by the pushing through action of the right wrist under the left and the additional push forward in the club.

Don't mix this up with a scooping or flipping behind the ball, you must have made a good downswing with correct weight transfer first. Try it with some half swings using an 8 iron first then progress to a full swing. You should notice how the ball keeps straighter to target and the additional ball speed.

[bill reed]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

hi
aj bonner calls it the home run and he says the club should be open just before impact and closed just after like using the club head as a bat, i have tried this and worked on doing this for months and finaly gave up. i just could not control my hands quick enough to do it so i could control the ball like he said, so i am back to swinging through the ball and letting the hands hold onto the club only, hands not really doing anything but holding the club and following the swing of the arms, one thing it not to grip to tight and let the arms rotate naturaly, just let it happen with out thinking about it, it happens to quick for you to really control so better letting the body do that and only have one swing though, like keep it smooth, or swing in a rhythm. works better than thinking of trying to control ant part of the swing with thought.
bill

[BrianW]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

hi
aj bonner calls it the home run and he says the club should be open just before impact and closed just after like using the club head as a bat, i have tried this and worked on doing this for months and finaly gave up. i just could not control my hands quick enough to do it so i could control the ball like he said, so i am back to swinging through the ball and letting the hands hold onto the club only, hands not really doing anything but holding the club and following the swing of the arms, one thing it not to grip to tight and let the arms rotate naturaly, just let it happen with out thinking about it, it happens to quick for you to really control so better letting the body do that and only have one swing though, like keep it smooth, or swing in a rhythm. works better than thinking of trying to control ant part of the swing with thought.
bill

Hi Bill,

He uses some strange method of cupping the left wrist in the backswing. I use a normal wrist action and aim to have fairly flat wrists at impact but with the club hinging forward past impact. The clubhead should reach maximum speed just past impact to ensure no deceleration takes place as you approach the ball. The piece of string vision really helps with timing.

[LowPost42]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Pick your premium, Bobby.

Do you want distance or accuracy?

If you're accurate, why the hell would you want to give that up in search of more distance?

Want more distance? Bend your clubs stronger.

I've gone the route of trying to flip my hands at impact. Sure, when your timing is on, it's fantastic - the ball is long and straight. But if your timing is off at all, it's inconsistency city.

FWIW, I take a 7 iron from 150 yards. I carry my driver ~ 235-240 yards. I don't want more length. (I don't need it for my home course, and I'm not long enough to play the tips). I'm dying for accuracy, though.

[bill reed]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

hi brian
i found dalton's straight shooting much more help than aj bonners dvd. nothing new in what dalton says all the drill he tell's you about work and think if i was just starting i get his videos as he can grove you a swing in a short time, aj has some good points in his dvd but the use of the hands in batting the ball dont wotk for me at all. i do agree with you brian in the you shoud swing and let the ball just get in the way of the club and not hit at the ball as you tend to slow as you get to the ball as you put the effort in just before the ball, when swing through the ball the effort comes past the ball so you are still at max speed a few inches past the ball where the arms start to be both extended.
i do think we are on the same page when it comes to a golf swing.
bill

[Christo]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Point 1: This is not neccesarily the cure for a slice. Extensive rolling of the wrist will just in turn result in a pull or hook.

With point 1 out of the way, lets start. I've found that the rolling of the wrist as a concious action is almost impossible to time correctly.
In fact the crossing of the left wrist over the right arm is just the result of proper rotation around the shoulders and the straightening of the right arm at impact. When the right arm stays straight past the impact zone the natural result will be the rolling of the arms.

A thing to remember is that the follow through position is in turn a mirror image of the backswing position. At the backswing position the left arm is straight(maybe a little bent, but still fairly straight) .
Then at the follow through position the opposite applies. A high finish with the right arm fairly straight. Therefore the rolling of the arms.

As mentioned earlier rotation around the spine is crucial, otherwise the hips will slide and the desired rolling will not happen.

So work on your rotation around the spine as centre point of the swing and make sure your doing the right things at impact. The rolling will come naturally.

Tips at the impact zone: The left leg should be straight at impact, without "standing up" or "lifting your head". make sure your head is well behind the ball and the right hip is clearing. The right arm should be straight and make a Y figure with the left arm and the shaft. Left arm should form a straight line with the shaft of the club.

Happy practising.

[bill reed]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

hi christo
i agree with everything you say apart from the last part when you say the right arm should be straight at impact, i say it only should be straight after the club head passes the ball and then both arms are extended the "Y" happens past the ball and this means you are still excelerating through the ball and the club head has not slowed any. again we are only talking about 3/4 inches but i do think its a big point and if you look at tiger or hogan all only have both arms extended when past the ball, the right elbow is still a tad bent at impack. one resone i think this does happen is the hip sway and turn, the hips move forward about 2/3 inches from the set up and that moves the "Y" forward a bit in the impack zone too.
intrested to know what you think.
bill

[Christo]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Bill

I agree. There is a slight bend in the right arm at impact. Just like at the adress position. Wanted to get the point over how the rolling of the arms work.
So I correct myself. Right arm slightly bent at impact and straightens just after impact, but still the principle works and therefore the reason the right wrist crosses over the right.

Thanks Bill.

[bobby ping]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Thanks for the great feedback! Flipping the wrists is too tough to control. I'm glad to see the mention of Bonner because that is where my resource started for trying a new swing.

[BrianW]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Thanks for the great feedback! Flipping the wrists is too tough to control. I'm glad to see the mention of Bonner because that is where my resource started for trying a new swing.

There is a big difference between "Flipping" the wrists and "Pushing" the club through impact. Many top professionals create additional power and accuracy by creating maximum head speed through use of the wrists and I would disagree that it is tough to control if carried out correctly. What is tough to control is rolling of the wrists and forearms.

I do agree that Bonner's video clip is too vague to understand though.

[Rackster]

Re: Rotating the arms after impact

Bill

I agree. There is a slight bend in the right arm at impact. Just like at the adress position. Wanted to get the point over how the rolling of the arms work.
So I correct myself. Right arm slightly bent at impact and straightens just after impact, but still the principle works and therefore the reason the right wrist crosses over the right.

Thanks Bill.

Bill / Christo

Yes there should be deffo a slight bend in the right arm at impact, and try to get the feeling that Byron Nelson used of brushing the right trouser poscket with the elbow.

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