I need a drill or swingthought for later release

[mariner]

I've realised I'm releasing the clubhead at the ball far too early in my downswing, leaking loads of power and causing the clubhead to pass the hands through impact producing high weak shots - is there a drill or a swingthought to help counteract this?

[GregJWillis]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

My Right Hand Drill works on a short backswing but a full proper release of the wrists/hands.

[Kenisu]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

Hi,

Two drills that worked for me:

1) Point somewhere at the right side (right handed) of your back foot and between your feet line and the target line with the butt end of the club as long as possible in the downswing.

2) Try not to turn your back forearm so early in the downswing.

Hope these help you too.

Toni.

[lgskywalker37]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

IMO "late" release is done through proper technique.....

there really isn't such thing as "late release" just proper release.... all the amatuers with their early releases i think has led to the term late release. i don't like that term because it paints in my mind that you have to hold that angle as late as you can, there is no holding back!

get to the top of the swing with your left hand only, stop. now try to uncock your left wrist, it is pretty easy. now get to the top of swing again, now start unwinding by bringing the arm down and then shoulders around. but while doing this try to uncock you wrist, you can't. you just (depending on how strong you are and how flexable your shafts are) bend the shaft and keep your wrist angle until the club get to about waist high and the club will then start to uncock at the proper time. but you are not trying to hold anything back, you are doing the opposite, trying to releas form the top, but becuase of proper mechanics you can't untill impact for a late or proper release.

when you try to hold the release you aren't really releasing anything, you are trying to hit the ball with you wrist. it is like you are only hitting from waist high your the later half of your BS is pointless you might as well just bring the club of to waist high and hit it, my guess, you will actaully hit further but more acurate if you half your BS..... it is only when you try to uncock from the top (with proper body motion) that you actaully build a force in the shaft that you are able to have somthing to release at the ball, all that pressure you were building up from the top of the swing.

but the left hand (for me) doesn't give much power to the swing. so how can we use our right hand to hold that angle by trying to release from the top?

right hand only, get to the top of you swing, try to uncock/uncup (depending on your grip it is a mixed action) your right hand, it is easy. now alot of amatuers (through accidental misinformation) hear that you should hold your right arm next to you body.... that makes it pretty much imposible to not uncock early with the right. so this time you get to the top of your BS make sure there is seperation from the elbow and body. most pros i think go 45 deg ( armpit angle angle if you formed a line from right torso to right tricep)and john daly/bubba watson have about 90+ deg seperation (seperate as much as you can control) now try to uncock/uncup as hard as you can with your right hand as you try to touch your right elbow with you side..... you can't unitll you get to about impact position. and i believe THAT (i believe http://www.scigolf.com/scigolf/myths/myth4.htm) is where true power comes from, the right forearm (trying to uncock/uncup and the and right tricep straitening right arm)

so.... all together now grip hands at adress go to top of BS (with at least 45 deg armpit angle if you don't do that already) now for transition move the elbow down towards ribs as hard as you can (whilst trying to un cock/cup right hand) and when your hands get about 1' lower than top of BS then and only then "try" to unwind shoulders into the ball. your shoulders will unwind a bit form your hips turning and weight shift in the transition but don't try to turn them, only turn your shoulders after the club has dropped about a foot. the right elbow moving towards the rib and then the right arm straitenin makes it impossable to have an early release.

you will find if you do that in correct sequence you wil be getting that "late release" or proper release that you want.

all that being said, fundementals are very important, don't foget to keep you spince angle! the shoulder turn is very important too, but i think far more people have a good shoulder turn then the people that have a (proper) anything built up to release. but i don't discount the turn, that can give you some good power.... just dont jump the gun, make sure you start the DS with arm moving down (right elbow to ribs) http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/t.../lesson11.html seperation drill might help with that.

HTH

[shootin4par]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

in reading his opening page something jumps out right away.
He says
"The Big Muscle Myth is that club head speed is produced by the muscles that move the arms! Four science books that I have reviewed (Search for the Perfect Swing, The Physics of Golf, The Golfing Machine and The Real Truth About The Golf Swing) all claim that club head speed must come from the body because it takes more horesepower than the arms are capable of generating."

He is WRONG about the golfing machine and obviously does not undertand the book. the golfing machine states that there are 4 power souces, left shoulder, left wrist roling, right arm pushing, wrist uncocking. The hitting method, as decribed by the golfing machine, is a right arm only method. The golfing machine knows that there are swings that are not controlled by the body, swings that do not get power from the body, but rather the right arm thrusting. The golfing machine also knows thate are multiple different ways to swing, many options. He is misrepresenting the golfing machine and trying to say things against it as proof that he has found the truth.

In a tennis backhand players are able to produce racket speed without a rear hand on the racket, Much more then fifteen percent. baseball player could never get 85 percent of their power from their right arm only

If you want to know the truth about the golf swing I suggest that you get books written by the best players ever and learn from them. They knew it because they did it and analyzed it tiger, Jack, bogan, jones, nelson, look into their descriptions of the golf swing. This guy did not tap into the great secret, or he would be in that list. Look around, learn as much as you want, but remember the best were the best for a reason.

we are all searching and go down many roads in order to find "it"

[lgskywalker37]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

Look around, learn as much as you want, but remember the best were the best for a reason.

i agree. but trying to attain someone else feeling through there words could be difficult. i like to use all teachings and see if they agree with what I see the players do. something someone else says might reveal somthing to me that i couln't see myself by studying the swing, but i make sure that i can see what they said happens in the swing and i feel it as well.

In a tennis backhand players are able to produce racket speed without a rear hand on the racket, Much more then fifteen percent. baseball player could never get 85 percent of their power from their right arm only

in tennis you are able to get a lot of speed without a rear hand on it, but it is still through proper techniques of the arm you are using. and tennis players prefer using the inside of the forearm (like the rear arm in golf) vs the outside (like the front arm), but they know how to use it when they have to. trying to cup their wrist as had as they can, but only being able to actually release at the right moment due to proper body/arm motions. so they can produce racket speed do to proper techniques of the only hand they are usuing, but i think all tennis players would rather hit forearm facing away form them then hitting forearm facing towards them. put a weight in your hand palm up and curl it, you can usually do alot more weight that if you did it palm down, becuase most peoples inside forearm is stronger than their outside. that is why tennis players don't try to hit backhand unless they have to, they utilize thier inside forearm and tricep vs tricep and outside forearm (the tricep would be doing the same work, but the forearm inside/outside is doing differnt or more/less work) in golf the left hand would be using the outside forearm and the right hand inside. if we used the left hand only in golf (to get the most power) we would be wanting to uncup the left hand as hard as we drive the left elbow forawrd and straiten the left arm. but we don't, as in tennis we know the inside forearm is stronger and that is why we cock/cup and uncock/uncup with the right. the body merly enables our right arm to get full power and acuarcy and good contact. without body turn accuracy would be hard and we would thin/fat (bad contact) often. the left arms is kind of like a guide like the body and is very essiential, but not where power comes from.

i believe it was hogan that said he wished he had 3 right hands...

and i do think a baseball hitter gets 85% of power from right arm only, i just used that guys page and research to back up/ further clarify my belief. now if a batter used thier right arm only they would obvisuoly be getting 100% for their right arm but i don't think they would be getting much power at all. but when they use the body it allows their right arm to become more powerfull thus the right arm getting 85%. try standing and curling a weight normaly, and then try doing the same on one foot w/ eyes closed (much harder). you arm hans't gotten weaker but it is much harder becuase you are not alowing your body to to help your right arm. i do not discont the body at all (for accuarcy or distance and support) it is very important.... but as i said i think the majority of people have a good body turn and bad arm mechanics than people visa versa...

[shootin4par]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

actually hogan said he wished he had three right hands. Because hogan was a four barrel swinger and found a body swing that he could add all the right arm he wanted and not get himself in trouble.

last I will say on the topic. take a six iron and grip it in your left hand like normal and in address position. then put the club parrellel to your feet toe up. grab the shaft about 12 inches away from the grip with your right thumb and pointer finger. Now turn back and swing through as fast as you can and when you feel the need just legt go with the fingers. No right arm thrust there but I woudl bet you are gettin much more then 15% of swing speed.

[lgskywalker37]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

last I will say on the topic. take a six iron and grip it in your left hand like normal and in address position. then put the club parrellel to your feet toe up. grab the shaft about 12 inches away from the grip with your right thumb and pointer finger. Now turn back and swing through as fast as you can and when you feel the need just legt go with the fingers. No right arm thrust there but I woudl bet you are gettin much more then 15% of swing speed.

very true, that is a good point, like a back hand in tennis can adapt..... but i think the study was on a actaul golf swing and the right arm statistic was doe on a full normal swing and in that, the right arm is 85%.

i would say in that case most of you power is coming from uncocking left wrist (still a forearm strength) though. the body is still very key, but i think (but have no actual research to back it up) the body would be supplying about 30-40% power in that situation. i am not discounting the body at all, it is very important..... we can't exactly use left and right am we have to have one dominant and if i had left only i would actall bend it and use my tricep to get more power, but in golf you all ready have an arm you bend and so you use it dominatly the best you can because it can use inside forearm and left can only use outside forearm.

again i think (maybe i am wrong) most people know how to keep spine angle and use body turn but few know how to use rear arm properly

[shootin4par]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

again i think (maybe i am wrong) most people know how to keep spine angle and use body turn but few know how to use rear arm properly

since this statement is of a different isssue all togethor I will say this;
anytime the head does not move in the backswing, the spine angle has been lost. MOST golfers do not move the head in the backswing, most golfers do not keep spine angle

also, many, but here I did not say most, golfers have a false shoulder turn the left shoulder blade goes back, the right shoulder blade goes torwards the target, but the spine did not rotate at all. G1 knows about this I am sure, maybe he can elaborate a little more on flase shoulder turn

[lgskywalker37]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

true, i used to have a false shoulder turn and it leads to bad, weak shots, maybee i shouldn't have said most, my mistake.... for me, it was learning proper arm movement that helped me get proper spine anlge and good turn.

[BrianW]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

Mariner,

Here is a simple explanation I learned and still use as an image of what I should be doing.

"Everything you put into your back swing take back in the downswing, with a bit more through impact"

So, think about the way you made the take away, then set your wrists, then rotated your hips and torso to the top. Now take it back on the way down and release the club but using that little bit more. The bit more is hitting through with your right side and hips.

[leehutchinson]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

have you looked at GregJWillis right hand drill? When you do you will notice that the term cock wrist doesnt mean move the wrist to the left or the right it means up or down. I say this because on one of my recent lessons I was shown a drill to correct this that works every time.

The drill goes like this, 1.Setup at address 2. The first movement should be weight to inside of right foot whilst cocking wrists up to about 45 degree and then complete backswing. 3.During the downswing all you need to think about then is twist shoulder/hips to left and drop hands down to ball and through with arms. There is no late release as such, just as long as the club is dropped in pos after you twist to the ball.

Lee.

[msklar92]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

If you keep your left arm too straight, you may have a tendency to release the club to early from too much tension. Relax your left arm and let it bend a little on the backswing.

[wildwilly911]

Re: I need a drill or swingthought for later release

do a search on the pump drill there's many of them out there it will give you the feeling of not casting the club(the hitter or swatter as i call it) it gets to swing with your body more, don't get caught up in all the mumbo jumbo. just remember swing thru the ball.