Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

[benben]

Are the spine tilt direction the same at setup/the top/secondary axis tilt?

Thanks!

[shootin4par]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

spinal tilt and secondary axis tilt at address and at the top should be about the same, some people do a sit down move at the top and that makes it look like the spine tilt increases, and some people do increase the spine tilt. Secondary axis tilt should increase in the downswing because hips go forward and head stays back
answer your question? if not just ask about where you are confused

[benben]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

Thanks Shootin4par,

You have already clear my fog but I still have a question. I mostly bump my hip parallel to target line on downswing but sometimes I will do as some other golfers said bump my hip to the target line at around 30 degrees. If the latter method is also true or popular, what will be the spine tilt direction of the secondary axis tilt?

[shootin4par]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

if you think to bump your hips forward then you run the risk of swaying and messing up the approach to the ball. when your front hip gets outside of your left foot most all people get in trouble because the hips will not turn properly when the weight gets onto the the outside of the front foot so by bumping them 30 you may take care of some of that issue. Now if you go to the top of the backswing and you shift your weight DOWN onto your front foot then that will "bump" the hips and you wont have to worry as much as getting outside of the front foot, which is a swing killer. when the left foot gets the weight the energy now moves up from the foot and this is how you post the left leg. If you just move your hips you may end up not posting your left leg.

that being said, if you do that right, and have a fairly on plane backswing, focus on coming into the ball from 1-2 dimples inside of the center of the back of the ball, you wont need to ask about the secondary axis tilt coming into the ball.

try posting the left leg from the thigh down and then try it from the ground up. tell me what you find

what did nicklaus say,
he said ar first he did not understand why his instrucror made him do boringng footwork drills but later realized why it was so important.

hope I helped

[benben]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

Thanks for your thoughts Shootin4par,

To posting the left leg from thigh down, I found the amount of hips slide is out of control, sometimes sway sometimes not, the left foot seems not well attach to the ground. If from ground up, left foot can grasp the ground firmly because it is the first thing I have to do on shifting weight in my mind. The hips move and stop automatically at above the left foot, no sway. Am I right?

[shootin4par]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

and since YOU felt it now you understand it
so, plant left foot and fire hips, no bump and turn stuff needed

[benben]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

Shootin4par,

Thank you for your sharings. I learn a lot.

[shootin4par]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

benben, you are welcome
Now if you want to learn a little more do this
go in front of a mirror and put a piece of tape on it, set up at address with it on the left side of your head. Now do the drill that you did before where you tried posting the left leg from the thigh down and then try it from the ground up.
do this multiple times and watch what the head does differently each way. Try sliding out past you left leg and see what you head does, then try posting from the feet up and see what the head does. this will also directly affect your secondary axis tilt
do that and report back

[benben]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

Shootin4par,

Apologies for late reply. Thanks for your sharing again!

Have done the test on mirror without a club. As from thigh down, head move left to the tape. From ground up, head much stationary, spine angle maintain, right heel stay on ground longer, the essentials of good and solid shots. If slide out past left leg, head past the tape. I used to swing from thigh down, so have the problem.

Yesterday, I went to range to practice my test findings. I can’t plant my left foot with a club at the top. I felt the club weight and the hands away from the body to the top cause the total weight on right side hindering the ground up and weight shift action. However I can plant it very easily without a club. After back home and review, I guess… my backswing coiling action is wrong, may be the right shoulder is only back but no up and in enough, so that I can’t fall back to left side and plant foot on downswing. Will try to work this out on next week range practice and let you know the result.

One more question: I can use the following part of right shoulder to do the down, in and forward action, the right pec, deltoid, triceps, armpit, combinations, which you would recommend?

Please feel free to give any comments. I would try my best to study it.

[shootin4par]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

if you cant plant the left foot, then maybe you need to work on the "fall" to the left. The whole body kind of "falls" to the left with the intention of falling so the left foot can get planted. Also, I believe one of peoples biggest reasons for a hard time with the transition is because of a faulty backswing, so you tallkiing about fault coil may be a very good observation.


as far as right shoulder down plane to start the downswing? I dont like it but it may work for some people. centrifigul force is an outward force from an inward pull, so if you move the left shoulder back, up, and in, then the club will go down out, and forward. Think of daly's left arm only swing.

your test results sound about right, when you post fromt he gound up the head should have moved back to about address position. is this where it moved to? If so you are doing it right.

swing may not get better overnight, but you have a couple of new understandings that you no longer have to worry about figuring out. Take notes of things you learn, keep a journal or something and reread it consistently. This is how you build YOUR swing

PS.
look into your set up, if that is wrong then the whole swing is in vain

[benben]

Re: Spine tilt direction at setup/ the top/secondary axis tilt

Shootin4par

Thank you for all the comments. Will remember it. Thanks again.