Curing OTT

[kbp]

Re: Curing OTT

I seem to spend my life searching for a cure to the over-the-top/outside in swingpath . . . . let's try a different way - can anyone tell me how to come from the inside TOO MUCH with a big in to out swingpath?

Along the lines of what Greg said, try my "Furyk" drill.......hitting balls with a big "loopy" swing a la Jim Furyk’s....ie: take the club almost straight back along the target line, away from the body, to near the top. Then start moving the club back to the inside with shoulder rotation and by bringing your arms back to the chest a bit as you come to the top. Transition from this "inside" movement right into the downswing, down along your chest and then out to the ball.

By making the last movements nearing the top of the swing being mostly a horizontal move from over the top of the plane to on plane or inside the plane, it’s almost impossible to make the first movement down be back over the top of the plane. The momentum of the club, arms and shoulders is still moving to the inside as you drop into your downswing.

[shootin4par]

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I think your saying a suggested key thought here is to initiate that movement by pushing down with the left foot, the 'step on the accelerator' idea.THere are pros that use this idea, daly for one

Personally that doesnt work as well for me as firing my right hip and stepping off my right foot whilst feeling like my back stays facing to the target and feeling those arms get pulled downwards Similar to hogan saying fire the hips real fast

But the key is finding that one thought/move that allows the lower body to lead, the weight to shift, hips unwind and arms/shoulders staying loose and tension free Very true, and that is what makes golf so unique and different for everyone. We are all trying to do the same thing but yet we can explain it a thousand ways

[takinitdeep]

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I would love to see a video of your swing showing how you do that. It would be very helpful to all.

[mariner]

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You are swinging with the arms and not clearing your right hip. Thats the bottom line

Try this little test.

-Stand with your belt buckle facing forward (12pm) and swing your arms. Look how they have to go round and in front of your right hip

-Now stand so that your belt buckle is facing 10am and swing your arms slowly .. see this time how your right hip is out the way and there is an inside 'lane' down which your arms can travel from the inside

This is why I get in trouble while trying to fix this - I find the opposite of what you say is true for me, my right hip is MORE in the way when my belt buckle is facing 10.00 forcing my arms to go further out

[mariner]

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Along the lines of what Greg said, try my "Furyk" drill.......hitting balls with a big "loopy" swing a la Jim Furyk’s....ie: take the club almost straight back along the target line, away from the body, to near the top. Then start moving the club back to the inside with shoulder rotation and by bringing your arms back to the chest a bit as you come to the top.

This is the drill two different teaching pros have given me, and I have REALLY put the hours in down the range and with a momentus swing trainer but it doesn't work for me.

[mariner]

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In all the range sessions I've had over the past few years it must be significant that I have NEVER, not once, hit a draw that starts at my aim point and curves slightly left.
The only time the ball moves right to left in the air is when I've pulled it as well (ie starts left and curves left)
But I hit quite a few straight pushes and this must indicate that at least I'm coming at the ball from the inside?

[mariner]

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. . . . whilst feeling like my back stays facing to the target . . . .

That sounds definetely worth a try, as I assume you couldn't possibly swing out to in if your back is facing the target, that's the kind of key I'm looking for, I'll try it on the next range session.

[pnearn]

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This is why I get in trouble while trying to fix this - I find the opposite of what you say is true for me, my right hip is MORE in the way when my belt buckle is facing 10.00 forcing my arms to go further out

By turning (not sliding) your right hip on the DS it will move forward from where it started at transition (it has to). This clears a road for your arms to come down from the inside but you must try and feel like its your right hip turning that is 'pulling' your arms down, like a train pulling a carriage

Try and imagine there is a piece of rope tied between the end of your left arm and your right hip. At the top that rope should be taut. From the top as you turn that right hip, it would pull the rope which would pull your left arm down - all the way keeping that rope taut. As you start keep your back facing the target. The moment your shoulders/hands/arms move independtly of that hip turning the rope would slacken. Does this make any sense?

[BrianW]

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I would suggest the following way to work through this:

1) keep everything slow and smooth, don't rush anything, in fact get the feel that you are swinging SLOWER than needed, never more than 80% but keep to 40% while sorting this out.

2) Understand the relationship between the shoulder and hips through the swing: in the back swing the shoulders start the motion, half way back the hips start to move. At the top of the backswing ensure the shoulders have turned 90 degrees but the hips only 30 Deg. This creates the coil or separation between the hips and shoulders that you require.

3) In the down swing return what you took in the back swing. initiate the down swing with the hips, this will now create extra coil as the shoulders stay back. Now let your arms and right shoulder drop down and under your chin, imagine your left shoulder is pressed against a wall that stops it from moving back. KEEP YOUR SPINE ANGLE and swing around it.

4) As your shoulders return to square and you approach impact ensure your hips stay in the lead and push on past, clearing to around 30 degrees towards the target. NEVER LET THE SHOULDERS CATCH UP WITH THE HIPS.

5) Learn to pull down on the butt end of the club towards impact and keep the clubhead behind your hands. Practice the pump drill, over and over and over so that it becomes ingrained in your muscle memory.

I hope this helps your understanding and assists you to lose the OTT.

[Started2k3]

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I seem to spend my life searching for a cure to the over-the-top/outside in swingpath . . . . let's try a different way - can anyone tell me how to come from the inside TOO MUCH with a big in to out swingpath?

Try this at the range:
- place a tee at a 45° angle from the target path and about two feet infront of the ball.
- Use a driver (preferably an old one)
- In slow motion try to hit the ball and have the club head pass over tee (this will feel really awkward), make sure that you have some of the fundamentals (left wrist flat, weight shift, hips rotating, etc)
- gradually try to build up speed while continuing to hit the ball and have the club head pass over tee
- Keep this up and you will be hitting hooks in no time.

Enjoy.