The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

[golfseeker]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

I personally think that it is a major mistake to allow the right hand to roll over the left hand through impact as Golfseeker suggests. That active-type of crossover represents a hand crossover release. I think that the correct crossover release is a body crossover release, which is a more gradual crossover release that happens naturally if you allow your torso to keep turning through the followthrough, so that the clubshaft remains in front of the body.

See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/impact.htm

Look at question 2 in that section of my review.

Jeff.

I agree with your knowledge of the follow-through. I was referring to what my instructor had me do to correct my chicken wing. This was just a drill we used to correct that fault. However, I use it once-in-a-great-while when I need a big hook to get out of trouble....especially behind a tree. It works for me on those trouble shots. I can also fade a shot if I have to as well. Back to the original point....I think the old chicken wing is the bain of most average golfers and sometimes we need some kind of swing trigger to help us work through the problem. Even if it is not your correct way. JMHO. Some of us get it, others don't. That is what makes the game so interesting.

[slater170]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

I agree with your knowledge of the follow-through. I was referring to what my instructor had me do to correct my chicken wing. This was just a drill we used to correct that fault. However, I use it once-in-a-great-while when I need a big hook to get out of trouble....especially behind a tree. It works for me on those trouble shots. I can also fade a shot if I have to as well. Back to the original point....I think the old chicken wing is the bain of most average golfers and sometimes we need some kind of swing trigger to help us work through the problem. Even if it is not your correct way. JMHO. Some of us get it, others don't. That is what makes the game so interesting.

i dont get most of it
ill just stick to large characters and pictures

[BrianW]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

i dont get most of it
ill just stick to large characters and pictures

Slats,

Take a backswing then stop your downswing at the impact position. Now bend your left elbow out towards the target so there is a pronounced bow in your left arm.. That's a chicken wing.

[jambalaya]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

I am not very good at analyzing swings but I do agree with shootin that you have problems with the set up. You need to square your shoulders with your hips for sure. Your right hand did seem to be weak to the point that the right palm was almost on top of the club at address. I know I used to kind of wring my hands together and it would put my right hand on top of the club too much. Try these links to understand the fundamentals of the grip:

http://golf.about.com/od/golftips/ss/golfgrip_lead.htm

http://golfzone.sportsradio1300.com/tips5.html

http://www.golfontario.ca/archives/2...shooting.shtml

The first link is particurlarly good. Follow the links under the heading "The Lead Hand" and then find under "Related Articles" the same kind of treatment of the bottom or trailing hand.

And by the way, your swing is pretty good really. A pretty athletic swing. That is why I think you should work more on set up and grip.

[kbp]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

Whether the hands are crossing over AT impact or AFTER impact is a function of grip strength. If you have a neutral to strong grip, with the right hand on the side of the grip or tending toward "under" the grip, at address, of course the right hand can’t be crossing over the top of the left at impact. The clubface would be rotated to extremely closed. The crossover has to occur after impact. However, if you have a weaker grip, with the right hand more on top of the grip at address, then it will have to be at least be starting to cross over at impact or you will be leaving the clubface open.

[Jeff Mann]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

Golfseeker

I agree with you. One can use an active hand crossover release to abruptly hook the ball around a tree or other immovable obstacle.

I don't think that one should use an active hand release under normal circumstances to draw the ball because it is unreliable (too dependent on perfect timing of the hand rollover action). I think that it is better to use a body-activated crossover release, and not a hand-activated crossover release, to draw the ball.

Jambalaya

I looked at the first website reference on grip. I think that the clubshaft is too low across the palm and too much into the fingers of the left hand. That will result in a very loose, wristy left wrist swing action.

I prefer Ben Hogan's left hand grip recommendation.

See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/Ho...ftHandGrip.jpg

Note that the clubshaft is a little higher in the lower palm (just under the hypothenar eminence).

kpb - I think that a good crossover release should depend on correct torso rotation during the followthrough, so that the arms/clubshaft are always in front of the body. Under those circumstances, grip strength variations will have a lesser effect.

Jeff.

[slater170]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

Slats,

Take a backswing then stop your downswing at the impact position. Now bend your left elbow out towards the target so there is a pronounced bow in your left arm.. That's a chicken wing.

cheers brian
but i meant written golf instruction in general
think i am better off with my books seeing the images as in nick bradleys book is is easier to take in!
its got me to the mid teens handicap wiseso i must be doing something right.

[kbp]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

I think that a good crossover release should depend on correct torso rotation during the followthrough, so that the arms/clubshaft are always in front of the body. Under those circumstances, grip strength variations will have a lesser effect.
Jeff.

I agree that proper body rotation is important to a good release, but the only thing that determines the rotational position of the hands (degree of crossing over) at the moment of impact is the position of the hands relative to the club face at address ie grip strength. It’s common sense. If the right hand is on top of the grip at address then it better be back there at impact. If it’s behind or under the grip at address, it better be waiting until after impact to cross over to the top.

Now if you’re saying that you prefer a neutral to strong grip because this means that the club squares up at impact, but before the cross over, and is thereby very dependant on body rotation, I would agree.

Maybe we’re saying the same thing, only different.

[shootin4par]

Re: The quest for a decent swing. Part 2

torso rotation of the follow through should be dictated and powered by the arms. on the downswing you will see MANY pros where their hips stop moving close to impact, meaning they have transfered all that energy to other areas, then when the club releases fully after impact energy is now transfered back up through the arms, through the shoulder and through body till all energy has been absorbed. That is why we finally stop. So on the downswing the energy starts in the lower body, travels to shoulders, travels to arms, travels to wrist, travels to clubhead with all the energy there and no energy or very little left in the body. Then after all the energy is transfered to the club head it gives it back in the reverse order, clubhead to wirsts, to arms, to shoulders, to hips, to lower body. That is the role of kinetic energy in a golf swing with natural motion of the human body. Now if we do an unatural motion that is ineficient then what i wrote does not apply.