pleas critique my swing

[tonyc9]

Hi guys im at it again with some suggestions from Kiwi.

Here they are and I have a front on for the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_wU76xMknY front on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLRtoR4uFZI down the line


Thanks in advance.

Still on my seven handicap.

[shootin4par]

Re: pleas critique my swing

tony,
looks pretty good
I notice a couple of things
first thing I noticed is that you left foot moves at the top of your backswing and replants in another position, that tells me you have balance issues
another thing, your butt cheek, when doing a down the line view, comes off a line I put on my screen. This could be because of balance or faulty pivot
third thing I notice, your weight seems really heel favored at address.

so my conclusion, fix your weight at address first and it may take care of them all.
maybe this drill will help you out, maybe not
http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...-easy-way.html
A small amount of ab flex when getting into posture will keep things more in line and more balanced, it will also help you to get in the same posture every time

those are my opinions, hope something helps

[joeyg565]

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Tony,

You have a sound golf swing. I concured with shootin4par about the left foot being lefted up a bit. It should planted on the ground. A good proponent of this, is Ben Hogan.

I think the most important thing to improve in your game is putting or your short game.

Short game - If you can dial in within 6 feet from the pin in your approach shot and your putting's excellent, you will be a scratch handicap in no time.

Be a target specific, NOT a general target.


Avid golfer,

Joeyg565

[shootin4par]

Re: pleas critique my swing

maybe I should carify myself. Personally I dont mind that your left heel lifts. What i do mind, just my opinion, is that it does not replant in the same place. Your whole left foot slides closer to your right foot and to add to the obesrvatoin, you have a little throwaway going on, meaning too much angle is lost too soon and you have the clubhead even with or ahead of the hands going into impact. But i believe my priour suggestions may take care of this as well. To me you look like you have a swing that could get you to scratch once a few things are cleaned up. From there it will be about short game to get to scratch and beyond.
good luck in the search

[GoNavy]

Re: pleas critique my swing

Feet a little too close together, like to see a bit wider stance. A bit close to the ball, which causes the angle between the back and clubshaft to be more then 90 degrees. Shoulder look open a bit.

So to correct, better posture, get the shaft of the club and the spine at a 90 degree angle at address, this will automatically get you further from the ball, then widen the stance a few inches at least to the outside of the hips with irons and outside of the shoulders with woods, driver.

As too balance if you look at your down the line view, if a vertical line is drawn from the balls of the feet, it should intersect your knee caps and the arm pits. In your video the knee caps are forward of the imaginary line and the arm pits are well past the toe line, this will in most cases put you off balance torwards the toes, and make you straighten up during the swing. I like your action through the ball, the swing in general is very good. These are minor adjustment.

If you understand the balance point (imaginary line from balls of feet, knee and armpits) you will always be able to get in balance regardless of ball below feet, ball above feet etc... These adjustment are vital to solid swing mechanics on course.

[tonyc9]

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Thanks guys fantastic stuff here. I will take it all on board.

I slice the ball most of the time with a gentle fade. I have to be very concouise of my ratation through impact to get the draw going.

My bad shot is a fat ball that ends up pulling the ball left or just a bad pull left. It feels like my club head gets ahead of my hands - my coach calls it flipping. Im a tennis player and it may be a bad habit from my tennis days.

[Jeff Mann]

Re: pleas critique my swing

I will add my opinions to the list of opinions that you have already received. My personal opinions only apply to a certain swing style - the modern, total body golf swing style - see http://perfectgolfswingreview.net

If you don't want to use that swing style, you can ignore my opinions.

Backswing problems

You have too narrow a stance. That limits your ability to load up fully on the right side.

You allow your hips to rotate too much in the backswing, which prevents you from developing coiling power in your torso. The hip over-rotation also causes you to lift up your left heel and kick your left knee forward.

Downswing problems.

You have no hip shift in the early downswing. You have a good transition move in the sense that you start the downswing with a lower body move, but you start with a hip rotation move instead of a hip shift-rotation move. I think that your narrow stance discourages you from making a good hip shift move in the early downswing, because you would probably become unbalanced if you had a more aggressive hip shift-rotation move. The lack of a good hip shift-rotation move means that you do not drive your lower body into the shot well. I note that your hands are behind the ball at impact and the clubshaft is tilted towards the ball (leaning towards the target). I think that the hands should be 3-5" ahead of their address position at impact and the shaft should be leaning backwards.

See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/AB...mposite-FO.jpg

Note that Aaron Baddeley's hands are well ahead of the ball at impact, and the clubshaft is tilted backwards. Note that his right heel is off the ground and his spine is tilted well back away from the target - suggesting good lower body weight transfer to the left side.

You do not drive your lower body weight well to the left side and your right foot is still fully planted at impact, and your spine is not tilted away from the target enough. Also, note that your hips are square to the target at impact, intead of being well open at impact, signfifying that the hips have led the shoulders throughout the downswing. I think that it may be related to your narrow stance. You cannot drive your lower body weight aggressively to the left side with a narrow stance, because you would probably become unbalanced.

You also release your right wrist angle too soon in the mid-portion of your downswing, instead of maintaining right wrist lag until your hands reach the delivery position (when the clubshaft is parallel to the ground and parallel to the ball-target line). I believe that the reason is related to the fact that you do not get your right elbow rapidly down to your right hip area in the early downswing. Your right elbow is still floating a little high above the right hip in the mid-part of the downswing, thus causing you to have a premature right wrist release. Getting the right elbow rapidly to the right hip area requires a good hip transition shift move in the early downswing. The right elbow is passively, but rapidly, pulled down to the right hip area if you initiate the downswing with a good hip shift-rotation move.

This is what you should like in the early downswing

See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/Hogan-DScomposite.jpg

Finally, an added comment - you state your have a tendency to a fade/slice. I think that it due to your steep clubshaft angle in the downswing, combined with the fact that the clubhead will likely travel slightly out-to-in at impact if you let the clubhead get ahead of the hands at impact. I think that if you were driving your lower body more aggressively forward in the early downswing (as previously mentioned), then this would shallow your clubshaft angle and allow it to approach the ball from a more shallow, inside track. That would result in a straight ball flight, or a slight draw.

Jeff.

[shootin4par]

Re: pleas critique my swing

his right elbow does not drop because his right shoulder does not drop, his right shoulder does not drop because he gets very little second axix tilt, he gets very little second axis tilt because his hips dont shift forward, he does not shift forward because he lifts up in the backswwing/transition, he lifts up in the swing beccause he dont have balance, his lack of balance is because of bad posture at address. Once he gets balance, by fixing address posture, I bet his swing will look a lot different. I dont know, just thoughts

[tonyc9]

Re: pleas critique my swing

Guys this is all fantastic stuff!

When you say "hip Shift" do you mean a lateral movement of the left hip closer to the target? If that is what you mean then I understand that as that would make my right shoulder drop under. I think it would also stop the right leg being lifted up and replanted as with that amount of weight moving all the weight would have to go to the outside of the left foot.

This is my favourite Tiger clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Aj22YYI1-Q


What is wild is how the guy in the white shorts is hidden by the move of tigers hips towards the target.

[tonyc9]

Re: pleas critique my swing

Ok guys thanks for your time on this!


Here are tonights videos trying to take in the hip movement.

OK THE VIDS ARE UP NOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1emUOdlKc Front On


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQpAxj0CNKw Down the line

In these videos I am trying to keep the angle in my right leg and to then start the down swing with the hip moving towards the target rather than before with the hips just turing towards the target.

his right elbow does not drop because his right shoulder does not drop, his right shoulder does not drop because he gets very little second axix tilt, he gets very little second axis tilt because his hips dont shift forward, he does not shift forward because he lifts up in the backswwing/transition, he lifts up in the swing beccause he dont have balance, his lack of balance is because of bad posture at address. Once he gets balance, by fixing address posture, I bet his swing will look a lot different. I dont know, just thoughts

[Jeff Mann]

Re: pleas critique my swing

Yes - regarding the lateral hip shift.

That video of Tiger's swing demonstrates exactly what I mean by a hip shift move. The hips mush shift laterally towards the target at the start of the downswing.

Look at the video again, and note the point when they stop the video in the dowswing when Tiger's hand are at waist level. Note that Tiger's right elbow has moved rapidly down to the right hip area and that he has still maintained his right wrist lag.

In your latest swing video, you are still too slow in getting your right elbow down to the right hip area, and you lose the right wrist lag. I think that you need to have a more agressive transition hip shift move that drops your right shoulder and right elbow down rapidly at the start of the downswing. The faster your right elbow moves down to the right hip area, the easier iit is to maintain wrist lag.

See my downswing section for detailed advice

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/downswing.htm

Jeff.

[Timothy Slaught]

Re: pleas critique my swing

Hello Tony:

Reviewing the first set of swing clips it does look like your stance is a bit narrow and as stated by others on this thread, widen just a little for the short irons and more for the longer clubs. You want to be able to build some tension with the lower body but not so wide that you restrict your turn.

Looking at your footwork, it appeared that you had on a non golf specific shoe??? Maybe that is why there seemed to be some sliding going on. Sam Snead used to practice in bare feet to enhance his balance but I would suggest some type of spiked shoe when practicing.

Posture is a little slumped so chin up and rear out with a straighter feel to your spine. You do not want to feel tense but your posture is hunched in the clips.

Otherwise it is plain to see why you are a single digit....it is a very nice full swing. Great work.

[shootin4par]

Re: pleas critique my swing

in doing the hip shift be careful that you dont slide. All the hip shift is a weight shift while keeping the head releatively in place. Take a posture wihtout a club and just practice shiftig your weight back in forth. Your center of gravity is 3 inches or so inside your belly button, you shift that and that is weight shift. here is a little description http://www.mikeaustin.de/compound-pivot.html


Let me add another thing,
by contracting the abb muscles, as in a post I posted the link to, this allows the back muscles to relax more, let them be more free, and posture is maintained easier. Focus on the set up first before you really worry about the swing, cause in your swing there is very little to clean up.
good luck buddy
seeker

[BrianW]

Re: pleas critique my swing

The hips need to move to the left and rotate at the same time, it should be a composite move. This move does transfer weight but is also the "engine" that creates the initial and most powerful force in the swing. The thighs and hips contain a large amount of the muscle mass used in generating suitable swing speed, the rotational forces in the swing need to be started in the downswing through these muscles, the shoulder, arms and wrists play a lesser part in that power generation.

[tonyc9]

Re: pleas critique my swing

OK THE VIDS ARE UP NOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1emUOdlKc Front On


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQpAxj0CNKw Down the line

Here I am trying to start the swing with the left hip moving towards the target. I am not trying to move the left hip away from the target line it just happens as a natural move as once you start moving the left hip towards the target you run out of room and the left hip must then move in that direction (away from the target line).

Again thanks so muych for your comments.