Which arm controls and powers the swing?

[BrianW]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

Brian:
I did not see the post before something was deleted/edited; however, I have taken a look at my crotchiness and intolerance both with my students and with this particular site and have taken a different tact to a more patient and considerate approach.
I can't imagine you ever being worthy of an attack; your posts are very good and you obviously know your stuff. I guess where I personally went wrong was in reacting to those who "demand" respect and have a "my way or the highway" approach.
We are all brothers in the love of the game and since none of us are on the tour(s), we should accept that there are different ways to play and teach. What works for one will not necessarily work for another but for any of us to attack someone for their opinion is just wrong.

TID, That is a very thoughtful and honest post.

[takinitdeep]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

No Neil, I am not doing what he is. I have never attacked his golfing abilities and would never be so crass as to call those that give different opinions than me an Ass. I have appealed to him a number of times not to use this method of rubbishing people as it is not worthy of his abilities, this is generally met with further personal attacks. Just look at his post "Oh Brian" was that really necessary or called for?

I know you admire him and that's fine, maybe I should just stand back and be less sensitive about it but my nature is to challenge rudeness and arrogance. If I was criticised by some of the others on this site that I have great respect for then I would seriously contemplate my usefulness and relevance to this site.

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Brian:
After playing for 50 years(my father started me when I was a toddler), competing in local, state, and national opens, and, some teaching, I am convinced that one cuts one's teeth and proves one's metal while playing in the heat of competition. Its fine to go to the practice range and hit perfect shots but who has the game to make that happen under stress of competition.
I have been guilty of being intolerant in the past on this site because I see someone being too mechanical-in my 50 years, I can tell you mechanics do not stand the test of time under adverse conditions. Take any top pro and put them in windy, cold or heated competition and conditions, who prevails-the feel player with sound mechanics not the mechanical player with no feel.
I appreciate what you do for this site and I pledge to respect all in the future regardless of what I think of their approach.

[BrianW]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

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Brian:
After playing for 50 years(my father started me when I was a toddler), competing in local, state, and national opens, and, some teaching, I am convinced that one cuts one's teeth and proves one's metal while playing in the heat of competition. Its fine to go to the practice range and hit perfect shots but who has the game to make that happen under stress of competition.
I have been guilty of being intolerant in the past on this site because I see someone being too mechanical-in my 50 years, I can tell you mechanics do not stand the test of time under adverse conditions. Take any top pro and put them in windy, cold or heated competition and conditions, who prevails-the feel player with sound mechanics not the mechanical player with no feel.
I appreciate what you do for this site and I pledge to respect all in the future regardless of what I think of their approach.

Actually TID I agree with everything you said there, mechanics have their place in learning but do nothing in the heat (or cold) of the game, nothing can replace a sound repeatable swing.

[shootin4par]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

in the things I have been studying lately what I am finding for myself is that the swing is a pretty natural move. Although I understand the complexities of it and can talk a lot about what is going on, there is very little to be thought of while swinging. Basically all I am doing now is practice hitting balls one handed with right and left hands, that is pretty much all there is to my swing. why one handed? cause you must swing the club and you cannot manipulate it.

[SlicersHell]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

All I have to contribute is this -

If the left side dominates the (right-handed) swing, why on earth would any right-handed person swing in such a manner that forced his/her weaker and less coordinated side to control the swing?

[BrianW]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

All I have to contribute is this -

If the left side dominates the (right-handed) swing, why on earth would any right-handed person swing in such a manner that forced his/her weaker and less coordinated side to control the swing?

No side should dominate, it's a Yin Yang relationship, the left side sets up the pivot and release position, the right side adds power to the release but both left and right hands must hit through together.

[eddie3392]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

This is for any of you all to answer -- I am more of a swinger from what you all describe in your post. Could a better player start pulling the ball due to being all left sided in their swing? I suffer from hooking the ball so putting the thought of hitting with the right hand or side is a little scary can one of you all supply a quick answer as to how I can incorporate the right hand or side correctly?

Thanks
Eddie

[shootin4par]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

you want a quick replly ok, here is a quick one
hit balls with left hand only and right hand only. you have to swing the club correctly to do both, no manipulation, especially in a left arm only swing

[eddie3392]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

CMAYS,
Was that whole response for me?

Don't quite follow the ending if it was. Please explain

[BrianW]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

Oh! Eddie.

Let me give you Old Joe Norwood's Method and you can give it a try. Hogan practice the same with the right hand, but there was rotation involved.

You will need to swing a little to the nside if not the ball will fade on you.

We want a very light grip in the fingers and the grip of the left hand is at the base of the fingers and hands.

We are not swinging forward, the club will do that from momentum, we are trying to smash the ball.

Right handed golfer: left reverse.

When I teach his swing I mark the students right hand knuckle, index finger for the right handed golfer.

1. Swing back as normal, a little to the inside, right wrist is hinged backwards and on the downswing feel the right hand knuckle being driven down into the ball. Of course the front portion of the hand will be leading, but that is the feeling you want.

Joe would hold a ball in the thumb and index finger of the right hand and would pretend to throw it into the back of the ball on the ground.

I would start a little above waist high to get a feel for the swing and then work up.

We learn impact first.

1. Throw the knuckle down and alow for your shoulder turn. The right arm becomes straight. Notice I said down not out. That is left side scooping.

Lower body second.

One of the older methods, but very effective.


Second Course of Business

I teach with a cane and I use it. I am not your friend your buddy or whatever you want to be we when walk out to the practice green, range or course.

I teach like I want, I do not ask to give lessons to you and I speak like I want.

I do not tell you what to say or speak and I demand the same respect. If you do not want to read me, skip over me, no hard feelings.

If you want to disagree with me, Great! I can take the heat.

So stop being a little wussy. I am sick of the Boo Hoo Crying everytime you turn around. If you also live in the glass house you need to stop throwing stones.

Eddie, it's nothing to do with you. It's just his pathetic childish reaction to anyone who had the audacity to question him.

Cmays, you have reacted in the exact way I projected, totally predictable! lacking moral character and with the intelligence of a bar room bully. Just grow up man.

[shootin4par]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

cmays is who he is

why do I get along with him, cause I accept that at times he acts all knowing, arrogant, and gets upset at me and other posters. Ask yourselves why does he do this? he who looks at the most sides of the elephant understands the elephant the most.

Cmays knows a lot and sometimes when advice is given, well sorry to say but some things aint true. I have said untrue things about the golf swing myself so I point the finger back at myself. he gets frustrated to watch people search and get advice that is contrary to the truth. Cmays has put in a LOT of hard work and of the people on this board there might be one or two who has put in the effort he has and looked at it from the most angles.

Yes cmays can be rude and carries a cane to the lesson tee. But if he comes to florida or I go to a place near him, I would like to meet up with him, cane and all. beyond his cane is knowledge, a knowledge that is rare. Sometimes wanting to give knowledge away can become a character flaw. call him rude, call him arrogant, call him what you want and after you are done calling him all that just listen to his words on the golf swing and judge them, not his personality.

when you meet a person there are some choices, one set of choices is A. I can learn from this person B. I cannot learn from this person.
if a person is 99% false and 1% truth, figure out the 1% of truth you can learn from them instead of focusing on 99%

all these things I need to work on myself as well, so I point the finger at myself first, Just some things to think about, or ignore

[BrianW]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

cmays is who he is

why do I get along with him, cause I accept that at times he acts all knowing, arrogant, and gets upset at me and other posters. Ask yourselves why does he do this? he who looks at the most sides of the elephant understands the elephant the most.

Cmays knows a lot and sometimes when advice is given, well sorry to say but some things aint true. I have said untrue things about the golf swing myself so I point the finger back at myself. he gets frustrated to watch people search and get advice that is contrary to the truth. Cmays has put in a LOT of hard work and of the people on this board there might be one or two who has put in the effort he has and looked at it from the most angles.

Yes cmays can be rude and carries a cane to the lesson tee. But if he comes to florida or I go to a place near him, I would like to meet up with him, cane and all. beyond his cane is knowledge, a knowledge that is rare. Sometimes wanting to give knowledge away can become a character flaw. call him rude, call him arrogant, call him what you want and after you are done calling him all that just listen to his words on the golf swing and judge them, not his personality.

when you meet a person there are some choices, one set of choices is A. I can learn from this person B. I cannot learn from this person.
if a person is 99% false and 1% truth, figure out the 1% of truth you can learn from them instead of focusing on 99%

all these things I need to work on myself as well, so I point the finger at myself first, Just some things to think about, or ignore

Neil,

As I have pointed out to you before, I have never criticised his knowledge of golf, not once. I just get tired of his implicit and explicit rude way of rubbishing others, as if they have no right to an opinion. That's all.

[BrianW]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

No Eddie, not to you.

Brian: Look into some classes on Anger Management. The one thing I do not do is to loose my cool.

As far as being a bully, I bully no one, I want them to think, to stimulate gray matter, nor do I beat people.

Have a good day Sir.

I am not angry mate and I don't need to use big text to make my point either.

Not a Bully What was this about then :

I teach with a cane and I use it. I am not your friend your buddy or whatever you want to be we when walk out to the practice green, range or course.

I teach like I want, I do not ask to give lessons to you and I speak like I want.

Do you really teach people that way?

I'll tell you what Mr Golfone, just keep off my back and I will do the same to you. Is that possible?

[shootin4par]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

a thing to remember/think about. online is typed word and we try to put 1000 word thoughts down in 100 words or less. If we met each other in person why would all have a much better chance at having good communication. then we can speak rapidly and give visual demonstrations while also reading body language.

I understand your point brian, I hear what you are saying, I would not try to say your point is invalid, it has validity. I think you would be a great person to play a round of golf with, among many other forum members, even forum members I have clashed with on hear, I believe in person I would clash with a lot less. the letters here have very little character, when we are all full of character.

[BrianW]

Re: Which arm controls and powers the swing?

a thing to remember/think about. online is typed word and we try to put 1000 word thoughts down in 100 words or less. If we met each other in person why would all have a much better chance at having good communication. then we can speak rapidly and give visual demonstrations while also reading body language.

I understand your point brian, I hear what you are saying, I would not try to say your point is invalid, it has validity. I think you would be a great person to play a round of golf with, among many other forum members, even forum members I have clashed with on hear, I believe in person I would clash with a lot less. the letters here have very little character, when we are all full of character.

Neil, of course you are correct. I do not have a problem with you or anyone else come to that, I just dont like people being rude and self centred. OK, maybe I should let these things wash over me. Yes,text will never replace face to face communications.

Funily enough I am in the USA week after next visiting my Son and my new Grandson so will play a bit of golf then. Bit of a stretch for you to Chicago though.