Right hand drill

[bulldog2k]

Re: Right hand drill

Ok, I know this has been asked a hundred thousand times, but bear with me.

I get that the RHD is to preserve the right hand 'cocked' position through the swing - should I feel a 'tension' there throughout the swing?

Brian W has suggested he addresses normally and only achieves the cocked position at the top of the backswing and then preserves it from there? (Have I got that right?) Whereas in Greg's 2nd video, he seems to suggest addressing the ball in the cocked position?

In either case, the downswing is started by the hips rotating, and the shoulders and therefore arms naturally follow, leaving me to only concentrate on keeping the angle in my right wrist? Yeah?

Or am I miles off the money?

[golfseeker]

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I'm a bit late on my take of your video but here it is. I thought you did an excellent job. I appreciate your help on giving us your insight on this swing drill. One thing you might want to do with other video's is to get the sun light at a better angle. I could see what you were doing and explaining because of my knowledge of your technique but the video was really too dark. Thanks for the help on this. It makes the RHD make sense.
Golfseeker.

[BrianW]

Re: Right hand drill

Ok, I know this has been asked a hundred thousand times, but bear with me.

I get that the RHD is to preserve the right hand 'cocked' position through the swing - should I feel a 'tension' there throughout the swing?

Brian W has suggested he addresses normally and only achieves the cocked position at the top of the backswing and then preserves it from there? (Have I got that right?) Whereas in Greg's 2nd video, he seems to suggest addressing the ball in the cocked position?

In either case, the downswing is started by the hips rotating, and the shoulders and therefore arms naturally follow, leaving me to only concentrate on keeping the angle in my right wrist? Yeah?

Or am I miles off the money?

Hi There,

Yes I address as the club as normal. For me to create cupping at address would be a strained position that would hinder good alignment.

As I have stated earlier in this thread I have been experimenting with a different takeaway that cocks the wrists much earlier in the takeaway, it is a method by Joe Dante and helps keep the club on plane and prevents any fanning of the club inside during takeaway. I then use the right hand drill through impact. For me these two drills create really sound repeatable shots.

Here is a link to the takeaway I mention. You may want to give it a try?

Discover The New Golf Swing And Master Any Putting Green

[pnearn]

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Hi There,

Yes I address as the club as normal. For me to create cupping at address would be a strained position that would hinder good alignment.

As I have stated earlier in this thread I have been experimenting with a different takeaway that cocks the wrists much earlier in the takeaway, it is a method by Joe Dante and helps keep the club on plane and prevents any fanning of the club inside during takeaway. I then use the right hand drill through impact. For me these two drills create really sound repeatable shots.

Here is a link to the takeaway I mention. You may want to give it a try?

Discover The New Golf Swing And Master Any Putting Green

Brian, I like that takeaway move too (called twistawy by Manzellas crowd I think) and it keeps the face looking at the plane line right through the backswing - but I had some trouble when I first started it as I would turn/twist the wrists flat so I was all around and no up. When I moved to doing this twist move up an imaginary plane angle of say 45 degress I got the twist and the up motion needed not to lay the club way off. This had my wrists setting right and in a great poistion at the top

Therefore I like Dante's idea but I dont think he explains it great .. you need some vertical up motion as well as the twist

[BrianW]

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Brian, I like that takeaway move too (called twistawy by Manzellas crowd I think) and it keeps the face looking at the plane line right through the backswing - but I had some trouble when I first started it as I would turn/twist the wrists flat so I was all around and no up. When I moved to doing this twist move up an imaginary plane angle of say 45 degress I got the twist and the up motion needed not to lay the club way off. This had my wrists setting right and in a great poistion at the top

Therefore I like Dante's idea but I dont think he explains it great .. you need some vertical up motion as well as the twist

Hi Paul,

One of the problems I find with Dante's book is he spends a lot of time explaining how not to do things which can confuse a bit.

The attached is where he shows the takeaway with some lift:



This move should not be a sharp or a violent action. It should be firm and steady. And it feels much quicker than it looks or actually is.


Fig. 16. The backward break off the forward press. The "ghost" hands how position as the press is completed. The backward break begins as the hands move past the player's right leg.





The hands meanwhile are moving to the right as the wrists are cocking, and the hips are sliding into a lateral turn, taking the weight with them.

Before you realize it, your hands will be waist high. And at that joint the wrist break should be completed!

[GregJWillis]

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...front on view would be useful as well.

Check out this:
YouTube - Golf Pro Lesson Wrist Flat??

This has basically the concept of the RHD from the exact camera angle I think you all want, however not exactly stated as the RHD...but watch his wrists hinge up/dn and never side/side.

[Rackster]

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Check out this:
YouTube - Golf Pro Lesson Wrist Flat??

This has basically the concept of the RHD from the exact camera angle I think you all want, however not exactly stated as the RHD...but watch his wrists hinge up/dn and never side/side.

What about rotation in the wrists? Is this controlled by the turning of the shoulders or do the wrists rotate as well or does the left arm control the rotation?

[GregJWillis]

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For me, I allow the shoulder's rotation to cause the arms to do the rolling of the wrists...there is no physical intent to make the wrists roll at all, it just happens because the left arm gets shorter then the right into and after impact.

[DrChoi]

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Couple questions about the RHD. I have been trying to incorporate the RHD mainly because my entire golf game went to shambles and i was looking for anything to fix my game. I have used it with some success. I do find that my shots are much straighter, although in general ball flight lower. I had lost a great deal of distance when my game left, and am still looking for some of it.

Question 1. The up and down hinge. What is the purpose of it. Here is how i have tried to apply it.... When starting my down swing and my arms/hands are coming down into impact, i can hinge down to add some down ward and forward force to the ball. Since my arms are moving from "back" to "forward" the downward wrist hinge gives some forward force. If this isn't clear try this 1. put your hands in address position. Up and down hinge moves the club down the middle of your body - does not seem to me that hitting down with my wrist will add any forward force to the ball (it will just smash the ball into the ground). Ok 2. put your hands/arm in a position like a 1/2 swing. Now try the up and down hinge. Since the hands are behind you, a down hinge actually gives force down and forward. Is this correct? So this helps hit down, and helps with compression? Am i totally off?

Question 2. Assuming I am applying this idea correctly, I am having trouble applying this to the driver and woods. This down hinge helps hitting DOWN on the ball to get more spin and compression but with woods/driver it not the sweeping type of swing that I thought was appropriate for woods.

Always appreciative of everyone's help

[BrianW]

Re: Right hand drill

Couple questions about the RHD. I have been trying to incorporate the RHD mainly because my entire golf game went to shambles and i was looking for anything to fix my game. I have used it with some success. I do find that my shots are much straighter, although in general ball flight lower. I had lost a great deal of distance when my game left, and am still looking for some of it.

Question 1. The up and down hinge. What is the purpose of it. Here is how i have tried to apply it.... When starting my down swing and my arms/hands are coming down into impact, i can hinge down to add some down ward and forward force to the ball. Since my arms are moving from "back" to "forward" the downward wrist hinge gives some forward force. If this isn't clear try this 1. put your hands in address position. Up and down hinge moves the club down the middle of your body - does not seem to me that hitting down with my wrist will add any forward force to the ball (it will just smash the ball into the ground). Ok 2. put your hands/arm in a position like a 1/2 swing. Now try the up and down hinge. Since the hands are behind you, a down hinge actually gives force down and forward. Is this correct? So this helps hit down, and helps with compression? Am i totally off?

Question 2. Assuming I am applying this idea correctly, I am having trouble applying this to the driver and woods. This down hinge helps hitting DOWN on the ball to get more spin and compression but with woods/driver it not the sweeping type of swing that I thought was appropriate for woods.

Always appreciative of everyone's help

The wrists have to hinge in this manner to create lag and release in the shot, otherwise you would take the club to the top and have to cast it back down with a weak shot.

The concept of the RHD is that during the impact phase you maintain a flat left wrist that is supported by the cocked right wrist. The move keeps the wrists set through impact and uses the additional rotational forces of the hips and shoulders into and through impact to create great ball compression, solid contact and straight ball flight. The club is still released to the ball with the up and down hinge though

Many golfers use the rotation of the wrists to generate additional head speed, by doing this many of them swat or flip at the ball creating a high and weak ball flight. Rotation of the wrists can generate good headspeed but requires precise timing to square the clubface, many fail to do this thus creating slices and hooks.

With the RHD it is important to really commit to the rotation of the hips and shoulders through impact and much more than people are used to doing.

I hope this helps you?

[BrianW]

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I agree totally with your last statement Cmays, swings should just happen on the course, it should be the feel you want to produce not the actions.

[GregJWillis]

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I agree as well. This is a drill. A drill to make you stop swatting at the ball breaking the wrists horizontally.

Once the drill is mastered, you should basically forget about it and the rest of the swing will simply fall into place (until the need for a new drill in another part of the swing)

[ubizmo]

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I agree as well. This is a drill. A drill to make you stop swatting at the ball breaking the wrists horizontally.

Once the drill is mastered, you should basically forget about it and the rest of the swing will simply fall into place (until the need for a new drill in another part of the swing)

But....I use the RHD pretty much as it is for bump & run shots.

[Rackster]

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Now we also get into the shoulders.

How we bring the shoulders back in the backswing will create a more right wrist hinge on the way down versus bringing them back in another manner.

Now by the shoulders and the way we bring them back we can take that same one plane swing and have the right wrist firm on the way down or not.

It is the shoulders and the way you bring them back that allows you to throw the clubface from the top if you like.

A little Tip:

If at anytime you must practice lag in the downswing, you have lost your forward shoulder rotation because, it is the shoulder rotation that maintains lag allowing the core of the body to turn around.

Pick the driver up and swing it like a baseball bat and with the turning of the shoulders in the forward swing, the forearms lag behind and the wrist angles have remained in a fix locked position.

Right Handed Drill is a good drill to learn the feel of the swing and it's actions, but see if you can move away from having to do it to having it happen. Rotation = Lag.

Hi CMays

I get confused with the RHD and the baseball drill, in that I get two different feelings. I think this is because of the up / down movement Greg describes with the RHD. With the baseball ball drill I feel more rotation, and a lot more power building in my right wrist- but I would say the movement of the wrists in the baseball swing is more side to side (I may be wrong).

I feel a great drill for the right hand, and the loading of the wrists is the pre set drill used by Leadbetter. Here's a link for this drill on the Titleist TPI site

http://www.mytpi.com/mytpi05/exercis...=222&artID=679

There is also a variation of the pre set drill, which may be more in line with Gregs up /down wrist movement at demonstrated here by Nick Doughtery

http://http://www.golftoday.co.uk/pr...exercises.html

Please go to number 7 towards the botton of the page.

Which drills is best. The TPI drill and Dougherty drills seem to have different wrists cocks.

Rackster

[jambalaya]

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Check out this:
YouTube - Golf Pro Lesson Wrist Flat??

This has basically the concept of the RHD from the exact camera angle I think you all want, however not exactly stated as the RHD...but watch his wrists hinge up/dn and never side/side.

I have been reading a lot about the right hand lately and especially what the wrists should be doing in the back swing. One common thing I have been reading is that the left wrist should cock straight up and down but not the right wrist. The right wrist should only bend back on itself. This video seems to contradict that thought. The idea is that cocking the right wrist will throw the club off plane. Some of the later videos seem to verify that idea like the one where the guy bends the right wrist back before taking the swing which is basically the right hand drill. Really confusing.

Here are some answers I got from some:

#1
You don’t uncock the right wrist because it’s never cocked. It bends back while keeping the shaft in-line with your right forearm. This is the right forearm flying wedge and we always want it to maintain its structure. You should also never have to “try” to keep it bent back. Swinging the club off-line or off-plane bends the delivery line and left wrist. The flat left wrist / bent right wrist through impact is a result of proper delivery.

#2

Herb, with a ‘standard’ grip, the right wrist will bend as the left cocks. This is because, contrary to popular opinion, the wrists and palms are not parallel at address. The left palm face more down towards the ground while the right palm faces more towards the target. As the left wrist cocks, the clubhead moves away from the target causing the right wrist to bend.

However, if the right hand grip is considerably stronger than ‘standard’, then the right wrist can be cocked with the left. I have an ultra strong right hand grip which allows me to do just this. Admittedly, there is still some slight right wrist bend but it is minimal in comparison to a normal swing.

Remember, for both wrists to cock on the same plane, the back of both hands must be parallel and this will require a much stronger right hand grip than is considered normal.

What say you?